CMC the best threat the Panthers have ever had?

[saints4lifeagain]

33 minutes ago, Mikey818 said:

Yes I think so. From last glance Kamara barkley and gurley were way ahead in nfc voting maybe  leaving out Elliot and mccaffery 

Barkley is having a phenomenal year in a terrible offense.

[Mikey818]

10 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Barkley is having a phenomenal year in a terrible offense.

He basically has the same total yards as cmc , a lower ypc fewer receptions and cmc o line is full of backups But Saquon gets the hype in New York a huge market 

[saints4lifeagain]

12 minutes ago, Mikey818 said:

He basically has the same total yards as cmc , a lower ypc fewer receptions and cmc o line is full of backups But Saquon gets the hype in New York a huge market 

Market definitely plays a role, but Barkley has no QB, and a terrible oline. The offense runs through him. Dudes legit.

[Varking]

Carolina finished 20 games under .500 with Steve Smith. Muhsin had similar stat big seasons as Smith. Smith is the greatest Panther of all time but no offensive Panther has ever had the type of year CMC is having right now. We all look back fondly on Smith because he is in the past and should be a hall of famer... but I don't think you guys are appreciating the year CMC is having due to all the other things going on. Without this kid we look like a 2 win team. 

[Clicheking]

89 bottom line!!

CMC for a easy 2nd

[CBDellinger]

2 hours ago, Varking said:

Smith is the greatest Panther of all time but no offensive Panther has ever had the type of year CMC is having right now. 

89s 2005 season was by far and wide more impressive.  

 

 

[Varking]

10 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

89s 2005 season was by far and wide more impressive.  

 

 

1) 16 Games, 107 Touches, 1588 Yards, 72 First Downs, 13 TDs. This is 2005 Steve Smith on the Panthers, who had a very similar season to:

2) 16 Games, 95 Touches, 1420 Yards, 74 First Downs, 16 TDs.  This is Muhsin Muhammad literally the year before (2004). A WR who on less touches moved the chains more and scored more. 

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3) 12 Games, 243 Touches, 1526 Yards, 72 First Downs, 11 TDs. 

Player 3 ( CMC ) is easier to get the ball to, will end with more yards, more first downs, more tds, better catch rate, more touches. He is literally having a season for the record books, doing stuff nobody in the NFL has EVER done. You can make the case for any of the above seasons listed being close to the others in terms of impressiveness but to claim any are far and wide more impressive seems silly. Muhammad had that Steve Smith season one year prior. 

CMC is on pace for 324 Touches, 2, 035 yards, 96 First Downs, 14 TDs. 

Only DWill has ever had a 5.5 yards per carry average like CMC this year but not a single RB on our roster has ever touched CMC in receiving. CMC needs 307 receiving yards in these last four games to become the Panthers all time leading receiver at RB. The Jaguars had a stretch where for 10 years they didn't have a single WR get to 1k yards and CMC might pull that off in year 2 as a RB, WHILE ALSO RUSHING FOR 1k. 

Only two players ever made it to 1k/1k and there are no players who have made it to 1k/1k and 100 catches. 

[CBDellinger]

89s 2005 triple crown season wins by a landslide.   

You can quote all the stats with out context you want but anyone that actually watched that 2005 season can attest. He was the most dominant offensive force in the nfl.  

What CmC is doing is great, sure... but it’s also a product of Norv turning Cam into a check down machine.  

[thefuzz]

15 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

89s 2005 triple crown season wins by a landslide.   

You can quote all the stats with out context you want but anyone that actually watched that 2005 season can attest. He was the most dominant offensive force in the nfl.  

What CmC is doing is great, sure... but it’s also a product of Norv turning Cam into a check down machine.  

I agree with your points, until the last one.  I think that Cam's shoulder is turning him into a check down machine.

Statements like "it's the new normal" when talking about pass counts and what not lead me to believe that this is something that will likely be around for some time, and was apparent earlier this season than many realized.

Norv changed the offense because he had to, and I'm glad he did.

[WarPanthers89]

2 hours ago, Varking said:

1) 16 Games, 107 Touches, 1588 Yards, 72 First Downs, 13 TDs. This is 2005 Steve Smith on the Panthers, who had a very similar season to:

2) 16 Games, 95 Touches, 1420 Yards, 74 First Downs, 16 TDs.  This is Muhsin Muhammad literally the year before (2004). A WR who on less touches moved the chains more and scored more. 

vs

3) 12 Games, 243 Touches, 1526 Yards, 72 First Downs, 11 TDs. 

Player 3 ( CMC ) is easier to get the ball to, will end with more yards, more first downs, more tds, better catch rate, more touches. He is literally having a season for the record books, doing stuff nobody in the NFL has EVER done. You can make the case for any of the above seasons listed being close to the others in terms of impressiveness but to claim any are far and wide more impressive seems silly. Muhammad had that Steve Smith season one year prior. 

CMC is on pace for 324 Touches, 2, 035 yards, 96 First Downs, 14 TDs. 

Only DWill has ever had a 5.5 yards per carry average like CMC this year but not a single RB on our roster has ever touched CMC in receiving. CMC needs 307 receiving yards in these last four games to become the Panthers all time leading receiver at RB. The Jaguars had a stretch where for 10 years they didn't have a single WR get to 1k yards and CMC might pull that off in year 2 as a RB, WHILE ALSO RUSHING FOR 1k. 

Only two players ever made it to 1k/1k and there are no players who have made it to 1k/1k and 100 catches. 

WOOOOOOW THATS CRAZY! 

[CBDellinger]

15 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I agree with your points, until the last one.  I think that Cam's shoulder is turning him into a check down machine.

Statements like "it's the new normal" when talking about pass counts and what not lead me to believe that this is something that will likely be around for some time, and was apparent earlier this season than many realized.

Norv changed the offense because he had to, and I'm glad he did.

Could be either or... prob a combination of both.  Hard to tell.  

Regardless, def throws a lot more easy swings and checks than he ever did b4.  

[thefuzz]

Just now, CBDellinger said:

Could be either or... prob a combination of both.  Hard to tell.  

Regardless, def throws a lot more easy swings and checks than he ever did b4.  

I watched Norv closely over his entire career.  He likes to take shots deep to keep the run game rolling....he's not even attempting to do that with "one of the best downfield throwers in the game" in Newton.

I don't think it's Norv, I think it's what we need to do as a team to try to win right now, and conserve Cam as long as possible.

[Paintballr]

On 12/7/2018 at 10:03 AM, JARROD said:

We’re you watching the games back then?

 

Yeah? 

Stephen Davis played in 29 games of a possible 48 games. 

His total yards rushing and receiving with the panthers was 2,321 in 3 season. He literally was the rock and forced fed the ball in 2003. Like I said I appreciate everything he did and was amazing to watch but he averaged almost 23 carries a game. His TD stats are super inflated due to 2005 where we pretty much used him as a goal line runner. 

Foster never once eclipsed 1,000 yards as a rusher. In 5 seasons he rushed for 3,336 rushing yards and 996 receiving yards. His run against philly was so amazing and is a highlight of that year outside of Smith’s catch, but you really think they are bigger weapons than CMC when Fox literally wanted to do nothing but run the ball? 

In two seasons so far CMC has done the following 

1298 rushing yards and 7 rushing TD

1314 receiving yards and 11 receiving TD 

In two seasons he has already passed Foster in TDs his entire career, and is only 1,000 short of Stephen Davis with 242 less carries than Davis 

[Varking]

1 hour ago, CBDellinger said:

89s 2005 triple crown season wins by a landslide.   

You can quote all the stats with out context you want but anyone that actually watched that 2005 season can attest. He was the most dominant offensive force in the nfl.  

What CmC is doing is great, sure... but it’s also a product of Norv turning Cam into a check down machine.  

We say Triple Crown because he was a Panther but he wasn't the outright #1 all categories. He was #1 in yards. He finished tied with Fitz for receptions and tied with Harrison for the TD lead at 12. No other sport lays claim to triple crown winnings unless you are the outright #1 in all categories, ties aren't equal to wins. Posts like this make me sound like I hate Steve Smith and dude is one of my top 3 favorite players of all time. The truth is, take the homer glasses off and look around:

Shawn Alexander won the rushing triple crown the same year. He lead in attempts, rushing yards and in touchdowns. Not tied in a single category. 10 more rushing attempts than James at #2, 20 more rushing yards than Tiki, and HE SCORED 27 TOUCHDOWNS. 7 more than second place. The most dominant offensive force in the NFL in 2005 was clearly Alexander. This guy carried the rock 370 times and still averaged 5.1 yards per carry and even added a score catching the ball.