Matt Kahlil fuged this team hard

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

IMO, I think Gettleman was forced into it because he had made a name for himself as being an asshole in negotiations, not just with Norman, but in many cases, he likely made absurd offers and offended other potential free agents.  Word gets around, that's known, and because of that IMO, it lead to even decent free agents staying away leaving him to do his "splash move" as signing Matt Kalil.  He knew he had to show some sign of trying to fix the line after botching it in 2016, and this is what happened.

Yeah, that is a horseshit argument IMO. I think that after he left the position in shambles most of his time here that he had to make a desperate choice, much like he did when he cut Norman and drafted 2 CB's. Funny thing is that he had actually drafted a capable LT in 2015, yet he still made that signing. The "forced" moves by any of our GM's(Hurney fanboys use this, Gettleman fanboys use this) just never makes sense to me. I don't deny that owners play a role in those decisions but they damn sure don't negotiate these dumpster fire contracts. Kalil got one of those. With better options available, at that. 

[Car123]

51 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Did Ryan push for his brother to come here? If so, he is partly to blame 

No proof. Just a Huddle conspiracy theory.

[Car123]

56 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

you should be mad at JR, he is the one who wants to run a "family first" team and likely pushed DG into that signing along with extending Olsen and TD for their 9th contract extensions 

Stop with the conspiracies. That was all Gettleman.

Him looking to release Olsen and Davis led to his firimg though. JR didn't want another Smith, Norman, Gross, etc., etc. situation.

[RumHam]

Could we not convert him to a less important position on the line? Like, he's got to be better than Van Roten at LG, or maybe put him at RT and have Moton switch to LT? 

[thefuzz]

11 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Stop with the conspiracies. That was all Gettleman.

Him looking to release Olsen and Davis led to his firimg though. JR didn't want another Smith, Norman, Gross, etc., etc. situation.

Do you pay attention to what you type?

DG was never looking to release Olsen nor Davis.  He didn't release Norman either.

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Do you pay attention to what you type?

DG was never looking to release Olsen nor Davis.  He didn't release Norman either.

Yeah, and Gross wasn't forced to retire.

[Car123]

Can't treat players like luggage.

His firing was JR's best move.

[thefuzz]

Just now, Car123 said:

Yeah, and Gross wasn't forced to retire.

He wasn't.

Can you show me where we released Josh Norman, or where the release was ever talked about with Greg Olsen or Thomas Davis?

The answer is no.

 

[Car123]

Just now, thefuzz said:

He wasn't.

Can you show me where we released Josh Norman, or where the release was ever talked about with Greg Olsen or Thomas Davis?

The answer is no.

 

Dude, can you read? I never said he released Norman.

[Car123]

I am certain that TD and Olsen wouldn't  have been Panthers in '18 if Gettleman were still in charge.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Dude, can you read? I never said he released Norman.

Him looking to release Olsen and Davis led to his firimg though. JR didn't want another Smith, Norman, Gross, etc., etc. situation.

 

That is what you typed.  He wasn't looking to release Olsen nor Davis.  He did release Smith and to a certain extent Gross (mutually agreed upon)...so when you toss Norman in there with that sentence, you are saying they are all ended with the same treatment...a release.  That isn't accurate, just like the "looking to release Olsen and Davis" isn't accurate.

[mav1234]

Matt Kalil seems far more like a Richardson signing than a Gettleman.  Family connection etc...

Regardless, it clearly didn't work out.

[Carolina Cajun]

31 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, that is a horseshit argument IMO. I think that after he left the position in shambles most of his time here that he had to make a desperate choice, much like he did when he cut Norman and drafted 2 CB's. Funny thing is that he had actually drafted a capable LT in 2015, yet he still made that signing. The "forced" moves by any of our GM's(Hurney fanboys use this, Gettleman fanboys use this) just never makes sense to me. I don't deny that owners play a role in those decisions but they damn sure don't negotiate these dumpster fire contracts. Kalil got one of those. With better options available, at that. 

I still dont know honestly if Daryl William's is a good fit at LT as I think hes better fit for the right, but we shall see.  FWIW, I was more looking into the assertion that we dont try to sign certain guys (why did we sign kalil and not sign whitworth).  The fact of the matter is there also needs to be mutual interest, and my personal belief was gettleman left free agents salty, but it truly could be many reasons including maybe the guy likes cali, wanted a bigger market or just wants to go to Disneyland.  

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Carolina Cajun said:

I still dont know honestly if Daryl William's is a good fit at LT as I think hes better fit for the right, but we shall see.  FWIW, I was more looking into the assertion that we dont try to sign certain guys (why did we sign kalil and not sign whitworth).  The fact of the matter is there also needs to be mutual interest, and my personal belief was gettleman left free agents salty, but it truly could be many reasons including maybe the guy likes cali, wanted a bigger market or just wants to go to Disneyland.  

He might be a better fit at right tackle but he is a much, much, much, much better fit at LT than Matt Kalil and Chris Clark. 

I will give that there may not have been mutual interest in Whitworth. We don't know if either we or he had any and we will likely never know. I suppose it doesn't really matter at this point. Hearing either scenario wouldn't remove Matt Kalil's bloated contract.