Some coaches take responsibility, others just riverboat

[CPF4LIFE]

7 hours ago, Everfrost said:

I know I have heard Ron take the blame plenty of times. I don't get what you are selling. 

Bill blew two timeouts in the 1st quarter if that was Ron omg omg omg in here.

Mcvay looked like a deer in headlights tonight.

Ron is our coach next year get used to it.

missed opportunities

7 of the 9 losses where by 7 or fewer points with a hurt starting QB , A patchwork oline, and zero pass rush. 

The close losses are a well known trend with Ron at this point its nothing new. Its happened before. He said himself he loves winning games 7-6, here is what i know....truly good teams shouldn't need to win every game by 7 or fewer points because on the flipside while you are winning it also means that you are playing down to your competition barely beating teams you are better than. Thats also a problem and trend under Ron. Its not an excuse anymore.

[Mr. Scot]

Nobody is saying that Rivera's pressers are "the problem". We are saying they're symptomatic of the problem, and part of a larger issue.

Some coaches demand excellence out of their assistants (and their players). Rivera doesn't seem to be one of those coaches at all. Rivera treats "good enough" like it's something special, hence his love of "try hard" players and praise of guys like Amini Silatolu and Sione Fua and his loyalty to underperforming coaches like Mike Shula, Eric Washington and Richard Rodgers.

Rivera cited Andy Reid as an example of his philosophy on that front. He once asked Reid why he didn't fire people. Reid considered it a personal failure if he had to let somebody go, and yeah, some leaders think that way.

Unfortunately, the reality is that some guys just aren't good enough, and they're never going to be good enough, and hanging onto them is just a waste of time and resources.

A coach like Belichick will take somebody who isn't performing at a level of excellence and rip them a new one. If they continue, he'll kick them to the curb. Rivera, on the other hand, will praise somebody who's doing okay as if they were doing great. And in his mind he probably believes that if he tells them they're great long enough, eventually they will be.

Using that philosophy, at some point Richard Rodgers will become the best defensive coach in the league.

Or... not.

Honestly, I see that as a big reason why we are where we are. Tepper so far seems willing to roll with it, but if we keep losing I wonder how long that'll last.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

At the risk of defending Rivera:

We DID lose our super bowl due to missed opportunities. Truth be told, the defense played lights out, but the offense and ST crapped the bed with tons and tons of mistakes they hadn't made all year. 

Tolbert fumbled

Ginn dropped a pass that turned into a pick

Cotchery had his worst game probably ever (even though he caught that one ball)

The punt return that let the broncos switch fields on us. 

The only thing they could have done better was not put Remmers on an island with Miller. 

We were moving the ball on their D all game, we just turned the ball over at inopportune times and that's on the players to execute. 

Remember though that Rivera decided we could go into that game doing everything exactly as we'd already been doing.

That was an unmitigated disaster.

[Zaximus]

8 hours ago, Everfrost said:

I know I have heard Ron take the blame plenty of times. I don't get what you are selling. 

Bill blew two timeouts in the 1st quarter if that was Ron omg omg omg in here.

Mcvay looked like a deer in headlights tonight.

Ron is our coach next year get used to it.

missed opportunities

7 of the 9 losses where by 7 or fewer points with a hurt starting QB , A patchwork oline, and zero pass rush. 

I mean, Ron blows timeouts EVERY game though lol

[musicman]

Crappy post. Rivera many times admitted things wrong or he could have done better. In 2018, Rivera had the rug pulled out. His owner is forced to leave under scandal with no President at the helm, just after a few months before the GM was abruptly fired.

You have 3 new coordinators but even deeper is all your mid level coaches over the last 2 years so you have an entirely new coaching staff. It's not all on Washington as he needs his group coaches to work it too. Again, Rivera does not blame anyone but just help. And most of those loses were about 3 or 4 plays away from several wins.

Then you start the season losing 2 starting tackles and TD suspended and still go 6-2 with some smoke and mirrors. Probably the biggest reason we went on a losing streak was Cam's arm and he never once threw him under the bus. 

He never lost his cool. The man is a good coach and an even better human being and we are lucky to have him. He's a 10 team coach in the NFL and a 2 time coach of the year winner. 

Again, sad post. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, musicman said:

Crappy post. Rivera many times admitted things wrong or he could have done better. In 2018, Rivera had the rug pulled out. His owner is forced to leave under scandal with no President at the helm, just after a few months before the GM was abruptly fired.

You have 3 new coordinators but even deeper is all your mid level coaches over the last 2 years so you have an entirely new coaching staff. It's not all on Washington as he needs his group coaches to work it too. Again, Rivera does not blame anyone but just help. And most of those loses were about 3 or 4 plays away from several wins.

Then you start the season losing 2 starting tackles and TD suspended and still go 6-2 with some smoke and mirrors. Probably the biggest reason we went on a losing streak was Cam's arm and he never once threw him under the bus. 

He never lost his cool. The man is a good coach and an even better human being and we are lucky to have him. He's a 10 team coach in the NFL and a 2 time coach of the year winner. 

Again, sad post. 

I agree with you that he's a good human being. Top 10 coach, that I question.

One thing is pretty clear: Rivera paired with Marty Hurney is an absolute disaster.

[JARROD]

Sean sounds like an Andy Reid better looking younger cousin or something,..

point out that you take responsibility,.. but you will review everything heavily so that improvements will happen.

its got to suck that your media boys said this was a better “greatest show on turf” than the original but they got squashed easier and much more handily than the original—

history doesnt repeat itself— people repeat history continuously. That’s solely because each new generation has the arrogance and audacity to think everyone in the past was stupid.

respect and learn from the past instead of disregarding— that’s how you move forward.

[raz]

ron 'i woulda taken that shot on cam too' rivera has never thrown cam under the bus?  or are you just referencing the 1 time he didn't?  people saying he takes responsibility for anything just seem crazy to me, or like they don't actually pay attention.

[MVPccaffrey]

13 minutes ago, musicman said:

Crappy post. Rivera many times admitted things wrong or he could have done better. In 2018, Rivera had the rug pulled out. His owner is forced to leave under scandal with no President at the helm, just after a few months before the GM was abruptly fired.

You have 3 new coordinators but even deeper is all your mid level coaches over the last 2 years so you have an entirely new coaching staff. It's not all on Washington as he needs his group coaches to work it too. Again, Rivera does not blame anyone but just help. And most of those loses were about 3 or 4 plays away from several wins.

Then you start the season losing 2 starting tackles and TD suspended and still go 6-2 with some smoke and mirrors. Probably the biggest reason we went on a losing streak was Cam's arm and he never once threw him under the bus. 

He never lost his cool. The man is a good coach and an even better human being and we are lucky to have him. He's a 10 team coach in the NFL and a 2 time coach of the year winner. 

Again, sad post. 

One of the best posts on this board ever!  Amen

Just know that despite the vocal intensity of some fans, i truly believe the intellectually silent minority supports coach Rivera.

[Manther]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

McVay after losing the SB:

"I'm almost numb … They did great job but it was mostly result of me doing a poor job calling plays and not giving us a chance to win."

Rivera after losing any game:

"Missed opportunities... players have to make plays..."

Until RR realizes that he is the problem, we will always be 2-3 tier team.

[musicman]

What responsibility do you want from Rivera? He's at the helm. He gets fired if we have back to back losing seasons. He's responsible for everything that happens with the team.

[Manther]

12 minutes ago, musicman said:

Crappy post. Rivera many times admitted things wrong or he could have done better. In 2018, Rivera had the rug pulled out. His owner is forced to leave under scandal with no President at the helm, just after a few months before the GM was abruptly fired.

You have 3 new coordinators but even deeper is all your mid level coaches over the last 2 years so you have an entirely new coaching staff. It's not all on Washington as he needs his group coaches to work it too. Again, Rivera does not blame anyone but just help. And most of those loses were about 3 or 4 plays away from several wins.

Then you start the season losing 2 starting tackles and TD suspended and still go 6-2 with some smoke and mirrors. Probably the biggest reason we went on a losing streak was Cam's arm and he never once threw him under the bus. 

He never lost his cool. The man is a good coach and an even better human being and we are lucky to have him. He's a 10 team coach in the NFL and a 2 time coach of the year winner. 

Again, sad post. 

Belichek pays his offensive coordinator VERY well.  He fought to get him back after he left for a hc job.    RR believes in the revolving door and promote from within. We are CONSTANTLY replacing coordinators and coaches.

We need to pay our coordinators better and hire the best, not promote the towel manager.

[MasterAwesome]

42 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nobody is saying that Rivera's pressers are "the problem". We are saying they're symptomatic of the problem, and part of a larger issue.

Some coaches demand excellence out of their assistants (and their players). Rivera doesn't seem to be one of those coaches at all. Rivera treats "good enough" like it's something special, hence his love of "try hard" players and praise of guys like Amini Silatolu and Sione Fua and his loyalty to underperforming coaches like Mike Shula, Eric Washington and Richard Rodgers.

Rivera cited Andy Reid as an example of his philosophy on that front. He once asked Reid why he didn't fire people. Reid considered it a personal failure if he had to let somebody go, and yeah, some leaders think that way.

Unfortunately, the reality is that some guys just aren't good enough, and they're never going to be good enough, and hanging onto them is just a waste of time and resources.

A coach like Belichick will take somebody who isn't performing at a level of excellence and rip them a new one. If they continue, he'll kick them to the curb. Rivera, on the other hand, will praise somebody who's doing okay as if they were doing great. And in his mind he probably believes that if he tells them they're great long enough, eventually they will be.

Using that philosophy, at some point Richard Rodgers will become the best defensive coach in the league.

Or... not.

Honestly, I see that as a big reason why we are where we are. Tepper so far seems willing to roll with it, but if we keep losing I wonder how long that'll last.

So I’m hearing both that Rivera blames the players and doesn’t take accountability for losses, but that he also praises/coddles our mediocre players as if they’re great?? Doesn’t that seem a little contradictory? Or does he blame our good players and praise our weak ones? Asking for a friend.

[Manther]

3 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So I’m hearing both that Rivera blames the players and doesn’t take accountability for losses, but that he also praises/coddles our mediocre players as if they’re great?? Doesn’t that seem a little contradictory? Or does he blame our good players and praise our weak ones? Asking for a friend.

No its not contradictory.  Both fit in the category of bad judgement.