Some coaches take responsibility, others just riverboat

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, Manther said:

Josh McDaniels the highest-paid offensive coordinator in the NFL.  He does not want HC job.  He does not want a HC job.  

Why you so far up RR's ass?

Do you not know that he already left the Patriots once to become a head coach? Do your research, man. All our guys who left to become head coaches, became first-time head coaches...so it’s literally the exact same situation as McDaniels. McDaniels tried out head coaching, realized he sucked at it, and is sticking to what he’s good at. I don’t know why you’re keen on using McDaniels to exemplify how you treat good coordinators, but it ain’t a good example bro. Especially considering he was initially hired as the o-coordinator for the Rams after his failed coaching experiment, and only brought back to New England initially as an assistant coach after the Rams didn’t extend him. 

[mc52beast]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

When words are symptomatic of the bigger issue, they're relevant. 

Just wondering why a team would play so hard for a guy who continually throws them under a bus. Do they enjoy playing for a guy who never takes any blame or do they play hard because behind closed doors he accepts responsibility?

[MasterAwesome]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but Tepper has been getting plenty of criticism here for keeping both Rivera and Marty Hurney.

I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.

Please explain then. I’ll do my best to try and comprehend your rationale...I always do try my best, but it’s much easier said than done.

”Plenty of criticism”? Wanna try and tackle how many Rivera threads vs. Tepper threads there have been since the decision to keep Rivera? Again, I’ll try my best to follow!! Thanks for your patience!

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Please explain then. I’ll do my best to try and comprehend your rationale...I always do try my best, but it’s much easier said than done.

”Plenty of criticism”? Wanna try and tackle how many Rivera threads vs. Tepper threads there have been since the decision to keep Rivera? Again, I’ll try my best to follow!! Thanks for your patience!

Nah. I'm not that bored.

Whether you genuinely don't get it or just don't want to get it is on you. I'm not that interested in your take on it either way.

[MasterAwesome]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah. I'm not that bored.

Whether you genuinely don't get it or just don't want to get it is on you. I'm not that interested in your take on it either way.

Lol don’t worry, it’s well documented that you’re not interested in any take that doesn’t align with yours.

Just a little advice cause I know you spend most of each day in here: message boards are a lot more fun and rewarding when you allow yourself not to be so close-minded! But thanks man, solid discussion! Looking forward to the next one!!

[Navy_football]

25 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

And both are irrelevant to a head coach’s standing in the eyes of his boss. It’s not like Tepper or Richardson watch/watched these pressers and think “Hmmm, guess it wasn’t his fault after all” and keep him on board. It sounds like all the Rivera hate should be directed more towards our owner if anything. If Rivera is as terrible and set-in-his-ways as everyone thinks he is, then why constantly put him down instead of the person who made an active decision to keep him? Do you think Rivera is gonna change at this point?

Who got more blame for the failures of Eric Washington? Rivera for promoting him and sticking with him longer than he should, or Eric Washington himself? Pretty sure it was/is Rivera...now who gets blamed more for the failures of Ron Rivera? Tepper/Richardson for sticking with him longer than they should or Rivera himself? Again, Rivera. And yes I know there has been criticism towards Washington and Tepper, but the bulk of it in both cases has been towards Rivera.

This is why Rivera criticisms come off as personal and blind hating to me. There’s no consistency in applying logic...just, no matter what, it’s always Rivera’s fault.

I agree that owners have some culpability for the product they put on the field and the coaches that lead them. 

That is irrelevant to this conversation. I'm not discussing why Rivera is here, just that he is, and he constantly deflects blame. That is cardinal sin number one in military leadership. In public, you accept blame when things go awry within YOUR unit, and you give credit to your guys when things are good. In private you hold yourself and your guys accountable for failures but you take more responsibility since it was YOUR JOB to make sure they executed THEIR JOB in a satisfactory manner.

I don't hate Rivera and it isn't personal. Being a head coach is more than X's and O's. It's about leadership and leadership is about accountability. And how can you hold your men/women acountable when you're not willing to do the same? You can't. Because if you don't hold yourself accountable, then you'll repeat the same mistakes over and over again. 

[Manther]

27 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Do you not know that he already left the Patriots once to become a head coach? Do your research, man. 

I know.  Read my post, I said Belichek fought to bring him back.  I'd refer you to books on how to read, but well.....

He's chained with a golden chain.  

Your funny.  Don't smoke and post dude.  

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Lol don’t worry, it’s well documented that you’re not interested in any take that doesn’t align with yours.

Just a little advice cause I know you spend most of each day in here: message boards are a lot more fun and rewarding when you allow yourself not to be so close-minded! But thanks man, solid discussion! Looking forward to the next one!!

I'm interested in talking to people who know what they're talking about.

Past experience with you has told me where you stand on that front.

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I agree that owners have some culpability for the product they put on the field and the coaches that lead them. 

That is irrelevant to this conversation. I'm not discussing why Rivera is here, just that he is, and he constantly deflects blame. That is cardinal sin number one in military leadership. In public, you accept blame when things go awry within YOUR unit, and you give credit to your guys when things are good. In private you hold yourself and your guys accountable for failures but you take more responsibility since it was YOUR JOB to make sure they executed THEIR JOB in a satisfactory manner.

I don't hate Rivera and it isn't personal. Being a head coach is more than X's and O's. It's about leadership and leadership is about accountability. And how can you hold your men/women acountable when you're not willing to do the same? You can't. Because if you don't hold yourself accountable, then you'll repeat the same mistakes over and over again. 

Correct, which I find really strange because Rivera comes from a military family. Passing the buck is the last thing I would have expected from somebody with that background.

Steve Wilks was very different when he was here. One of the first things out of his mouth was always to take the blame for any defensive failures on himself.

[JARROD]

7 minutes ago, Manther said:

I know.  Read my post, I said Belichek fought to bring him back.  I'd refer you to books on how to read, but well.....

He's chained with a golden chain.  

Your funny.  Don't smoke and post dude.  

Smoking is bad,..

and Crack kills.

[rayzor]

12 hours ago, Jesse said:

Why do some of us take what Ron says so personally? It’s just coaches talk.

It's shows the character of the leader and Ron is lacking. 

[MasterAwesome]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm interested in talking to people who know what they're talking about.

Past experience with you has told me where you stand on that front.

Second piece of advice for message boards: don’t take things so personally...argue points, not people. All your interactions with me show a level of bitterness that is not conducive to good discussion. I guess I have something in common with Rivera in that we both have provoked some ire out of you that has you blindly engaging in lots of ad hominems (also, not a great strategy for discussion). It ain’t that serious, bro. You’re in the same boat as those people who follow other people around from thread to thread just to poop each one of their posts.

[MasterAwesome]

16 minutes ago, Manther said:

I know.  Read my post, I said Belichek fought to bring him back.  I'd refer you to books on how to read, but well.....

He's chained with a golden chain.  

Your funny.  Don't smoke and post dude.  

Trust me, I read your post...Belichick* fought to bring him back and then proceeded to pay him millions upon millions out of his own bank account.

Obligatory “my funny what?”.

[rayzor]

49 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yep still sounds pretty contradictory to me...he praises and elevates bad players and then blames them when we lose. Please try to explain again, thanks!

He has a group of guys that he prefers because they have some "it" quality, usually the cagey vets. He will give them more play time than others who have more to offer than just experience or at least he makes sure they have more PT. This shows a lack of talent evaluation and critical decision making.

When we lose, he never accepts blame and always passes it on to the players. It's always someone else's fault when it's on him to make sure the right players are on the field, those players are well prepared, and that they have the right plan for whatever situation they find themselves in.

The message is clear. "I did everything right but these guys screwed it up." And that is a pretty shitty message for any leader to be consistently giving for 8 years.