Sean Payton is unhappy

[OneBadCat]

4 minutes ago, trueblade said:

 

That's really all they need to do. Make OPI, DPI, and roughing challengeable. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

5 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

The problem with that logic that these are professional players. Some of the best athletes in the world are on both sides of each team. The margin for error is incredibly small. Even blow outs can come down to the root of a few big plays. The coaches and the players work too hard to get cheated out of the game by a poor officiating crew. And we the fans pay way too much money just to see our favorite teams get screwed.

I get what you are saying, I really do.

However, pro football is as much about entertainment as it is rules.

What keeps people talking long after the game has ended (this is a perfect example) are controversial plays.

Controversy makes a game more exciting and yes, depending on where your loyalties lie, more aggravating.

Human error isn't a flaw of the NFL entertainment product, it is an essential part of what makes it so emotionally engaging. 

Eliminate human error and you've eliminated much of what makes the NFL so entertaining.

[OneBadCat]

26 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

How many officiating errors (called and uncalled) do you think occur in any given game?  

I bet there are hundreds.

How far should we take this in-game litigation?

No matter how far we take it, there will invariably be games where it doesn't go far enough for some team.

IMHO, the game is already long enough without adding more delay's to the process.

Dominate the game, win the game, win the season, win the Super Bowl.

I don't mind the game being longer at all if it means Cam Newton doesn't get head hunted without consequence anymore. It's really not going to add that much time

 

9 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I get what you are saying, I really do.

However, pro football is as much about entertainment as it is rules.

What keeps people talking long after the game has ended (this is a perfect example) are controversial plays.

Controversy makes a game more exciting and yes, depending on where your loyalties lie, more aggravating.

Human error isn't a flaw of the NFL entertainment product, it is an essential part of what makes it so emotionally engaging. 

Eliminate human error and you've eliminated much of what makes the NFL so entertaining.

I don't think that is a positive thing. Fans want their team to have the best chance as competing. I think this is part of the reason the NFL has become over saturated. People begin to care less when they start to believe their team isn't getting a fair shot and that league is influencing games.  You can't tell me the 2014 Playoffs wasn't a shut the Panthers up game, or that SB 50 wasn't a teach Cam a lesson game and head hunt him for 60 minutes with no calls. I think that just pisses people off. 

The league should always be in pursuit of a fairer game. I don't believe the players and coaches should have to factor the refs potentially screwing them into their game plan. Additionally I don't mind the game being longer because they decided to get a call right verses a potential loss in seeding or playoff elimination. The more refs can be held accountable the better.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

9 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I don't mind the game being longer at all if it means Cam Newton doesn't get head hunted without consequence anymore. It's really not going to add that much time

 

I don't think that is a positive thing. Fans want their team to have the best chance as competing. I think this is part of the reason the NFL has become over saturated. People begin to care less when they start to believe their team isn't getting a fair shot and that league is influencing games.  You can't tell me the 2014 Playoffs wasn't a shut the Panthers up game, or that SB 50 wasn't a teach Cam a lesson game and head hunt him for 60 minutes with no calls. I think that just pisses people off. 

The league should always be in pursuit of a fairer game. I don't believe the players and coaches should have to factor the refs potentially screwing them into their game plan. Additionally I don't mind the game being longer because they decided to get a call right verses a potential loss in seeding or playoff elimination. The more refs can be held accountable the better.

Excellent response.

[jfra78]

15 hours ago, black-panthers said:

How is one charged with prostitution and still able to own a team?

soliciting.  I highly doubt hes turning tricks on the corner

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Payton also said he thinks the use of "all star" officiating crews should stop.

I stand with him on that one. That bullsh-t needs to go.

i agree, they should use the crew with the least amount of erroneous calls throughout the year.  maybe it will be an incentive to call the games right

[saints4lifeagain]

6 hours ago, fortyrod said:

Everyone seems to be implying that Payton is concerned with the no-call on the, um, "incidental" pass interference at the end of the game? I, for one, am positive that Sean is also quite concerned about the no-calls that went in the Saints favor earlier in the game. Cause he's such a stand up guy.

He actually brought up the poor PI call that benefitted the Saints in the Pitt game. This isn’t a one instance thing. With technology today, there’s nothing reason why there should be blatant officiating errors in games. 

He also says officials should be hired and paid as full time employees. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

He actually brought up the poor PI call that benefitted the Saints in the Pitt game. This isn’t a one instance thing. With technology today, there’s nothing reason why there should be blatant officiating errors in games. 

He also says officials should be hired and paid as full time employees. 

Full time refs...agree.

Ditch the "all star" crews...agree.

Use technology to analyze the living sh-t out of every play...not so much.

[Devil Doc]

I bet you ( Im Broke) that almost every single play in the NFL have penalties that could be called... End Rant. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

10 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

I bet you ( Im Broke) that almost every single play in the NFL have penalties that could be called... End Rant. 

 FIFY

[saints4lifeagain]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Full time refs...agree.

Ditch the "all star" crews...agree.

Use technology to analyze the living sh-t out of every play...not so much.

Don’t have to analyze every play. But mistakes like what happened in the Pitt game and what happened in the playoff game shouldn’t happen in 2019. That’s simple. Cost Pitt the playoffs. Cost the Saints a SB trip. “Part of football” is a sorry excuse. Obvious human error isn’t part of football. 

[GRWatcher]

If Sean Payton is unhappy ...... then I'm happy. Whatever the reason.

I don't want to bring up old arguments, but what I saw was a bad throw by Brees.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Contrast and comparison...

Here is a class act:

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“You know me, we’re a no-excuse program. No excuses. We had our opportunities. … That play doesn’t decide the game for us. We had opportunities, we just did not make enough plays down the stretch. It had nothing to do with a play like that. To beat a team of that caliber; I always use boxing analogies with our team: I always tell our guys, you’re not going to out-point the champs; you have to knock champions out. We were close. I thought we had them on the ropes, but we just couldn’t knock them out.

“They showed who they were. They showed their character. Look, they have a once-in-a-generation player in Zion Williamson. Some of the plays he made put them in that position. Give them credit. He made plays, quite frankly. that I haven’t seen a college basketball player make in a long time.”

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/ucf-coach-johnny-dawkins-refuses-to-blame-refs-for-duke-loss-were-a-no-excuse-program/ar-BBVgdRm?li=BBnbfcL

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Don’t have to analyze every play. But mistakes like what happened in the Pitt game and what happened in the playoff game shouldn’t happen in 2019. That’s simple. Cost Pitt the playoffs. Cost the Saints a SB trip. “Part of football” is a sorry excuse. Obvious human error isn’t part of football. 

Yes it is.

it's been said many times that holding could be called on every single play, and it's true. Truth be told, there's probably plenty of others that happen on both sides, on any given play as well.

Making it so that we can catch all the penalties that happened on a given clay sounds great in concept, but I can pretty well guarantee that if you actually watched a game where that was happening, you'd be ready to dump that system quick.