Tuesday camp tweets

[raz]

it is getting old red.  every person who has a criticism of cam in any way is a racist to you.  its total bs.  there are real racists in the world to call out.  don't be like deangelo

[TheRed]

3 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

The narrative that I like Grier more than Cam came about because I was excited that we got Grier, since he's a local product and by all personal accounts a good guy from a good family. I went through this same bullshit when the Hornets signed Jeremy Lin and I was stoked about them doing it. Suddenly, I couldn't be a Kemba fan. I was a Lin fan. 

Or maybe I just liked both, like I like Grier and Cam. Hell, I like Allen too. I really like winning and I think all three can help us achieve that.

Is this in reference to me? Because if there is a post in which I've stated you're a "Cam hater", that's certainly news to me. You came in here quoting me about a tweet from an observer reporter, a publication that has a documented history of putting out negative stories about Newton, and somehow you are now turning this into a pity party that people are out to get you. Who are these people?

[Carl Spackler]

6 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Is this in reference to me? Because if there is a post in which I've stated you're a "Cam hater", that's certainly news to me. You came in here quoting me about a tweet from an observer reporter, a publication that has a documented history of putting out negative stories about Newton, and somehow you are now turning this into a pity party that people are out to get you. Who are these people?

It's not in reference to you. And I thought you weren't coming after me, but being cordial. What happened to that?

EDIT: to be fair, you did mention "somehow I suspect if Fowler made Grier his target your tune on this would change," which more than implies that I prefer Grier to Cam because I would take more offense to Grier being "criticized" than I did for Cam -- when there really wasn't any negative in that Fowler story. Fowler actually has a reputation for being a Panthers homer.

[TheRed]

25 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

It's not in reference to you. And I thought you weren't coming after me, but being cordial. What happened to that?

EDIT: to be fair, you did mention "somehow I suspect if Fowler made Grier his target your tune on this would change," which more than implies that I prefer Grier to Cam because I would take more offense to Grier being "criticized" than I did for Cam -- when there really wasn't any negative in that Fowler story. Fowler actually has a reputation for being a Panthers homer.

This isn't cordial? Should I be berating you, or cursing at you? That would go over better?

It implies you clearly display the same "vigor" defending Grier that you insinuate of me with Newton. Unlike you though I'm not speculating on the reasoning of that or making implications. I'm simply responding to a convo you initiated because for some reason you felt the need to defend Fowler. At the end of the day we've all seen the negatively slanted work about Cam from the observer over the years. It speaks for itself. If you have a problem with that being pointed out, maybe take it up with them.

[TheRed]

48 minutes ago, raz said:

it is getting old red.  every person who has a criticism of cam in any way is a racist to you.  its total bs.  there are real racists in the world to call out.  don't be like deangelo

Could you do me a favor and link the post in this thread where race was remotely mentioned?

As far as I can tell you are the first one to go there.

[Carl Spackler]

30 minutes ago, TheRed said:

This isn't cordial? Should I be berating you, or cursing at you? That would go over better?

It implies you clearly display the same "vigor" defending Grier that you insinuate of me with Newton. Unlike you though I'm not speculating on the reasoning of that or making implications. I'm simply responding to a convo you initiated because for some reason you felt the need to defend Fowler. At the end of the day we've all seen the negatively slanted work about Cam from the observer over the years. It speaks for itself. If you have a problem with that being pointed out, maybe take it up with them.

You're the one with the problem. You're the one who posted an 18-month-old story. Maybe you should email Fowler and call him a Cam hater. I just pointed out that Fowler has been known to be a Panthers homer, because it's true. Not every Cam story they've done is negative and that, no matter how you may take it, was not a hit piece nor was it a negatively slanted story in any way.

[TheRed]

15 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

You're the one with the problem. You're the one who posted an 18-month-old story. Maybe you should email Fowler and call him a Cam hater. I just pointed out that Fowler has been known to be a Panthers homer, because it's true. Not every Cam story they've done is negative and that, no matter how you may take it, was not a hit piece nor was it a negatively slanted story in any way.

That article was written well after Newton was voted the unanimous MVP in 2015. He hadn't already proven his worth to this team in the playoffs let alone the regular season by the time 2017 rolled around?

At the end of the day the observer knows what the real bread and butter is. They've absolutely exploited it. Negative stories and discussions about the Panthers franchise QB generates far more potential exposure than talking nice. It's why even former players like DeAngelo Williams who isn't even a media figure are using it to their advantage to get their name out there. Even Kelvin Benjamin knew this, he says one word about Cam and his name is everywhere. I've said as much as I can say, you either want to see it or you don't.

[Carl Spackler]

9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

That article was written well after Newton was voted the unanimous MVP in 2015. He hadn't already proven his worth to this team in the playoffs let alone the regular season by the time 2017 rolled around?

At the end of the day the observer knows what the real bread and butter is. They've absolutely exploited it. Negative stories and discussions about the Panthers franchise QB generates far more potential exposure than talking nice. It's why even former players like DeAngelo Williams who isn't even a media figure are using it to their advantage to get their name out there. Even Kelvin Benjamin knew this, he says one word about Cam and his name is everywhere. I've said as much as I can say, you either want to see it or you don't.

Of course he had proven his worth to the team. The story is centered around him being so important that we can't win without him doing well -- something you've said repeatedly.

And the Observer fired a Panthers reporter for being negative. I don't think they have as much of a reputation for being negative as much as you may see some things for what they aren't -- the article you posted, for example. But I don't read everything they put out either. Granted, if they posted something SUPER negative, I know where I'd find it.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 hour ago, raz said:

it is getting old red.  every person who has a criticism of cam in any way is a racist to you.  its total bs.  there are real racists in the world to call out.  don't be like deangelo

It's ridiculous when you have do deal with an instigator coming from their Tinderbox Home getting the readers of this thread to start an argument session on race when the comment has nothing to do with it. What else is new.

[Peppers90 NC]

8 minutes ago, rbsponsel52 said:

It's ridiculous when you have do deal with an instigator coming from their Tinderbox Home getting the readers of this thread to start an argument session on race when the comment has nothing to do with it. What else is new.

it would be slightly humorous if it weren't so predictable while still pitiful. Good thing practice is over and no one has to sieve through all that litter to find updates. But the hypotheticals and instigating to try to make pointless points has gotten stale. 

[ellis]

 

[TheRed]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Of course he had proven his worth to the team. The story is centered around him being so important that we can't win without him doing well -- something you've said repeatedly.

And the Observer fired a Panthers reporter for being negative. I don't think they have as much of a reputation for being negative as much as you may see some things for what they aren't -- the article you posted, for example. But I don't read everything they put out either. Granted, if they posted something SUPER negative, I know where I'd find it.

The story had a few vaguely backhanded compliments sprinkled here and there but the entire commentary centered around flatly stating that there was only one word to describe Newton's 3-3 playoff record, mediocre. Meanwhile not only capitalizing on pointing out that he was coming off the worst game of his career at the time, but also ignoring the fact that in the same season he somehow dragged that squad on his back at times to 11 wins and a playoff berth in the first place. What he did that year is unheard of in the modern NFL, certainly no other starting QB in this day and age is expected to be the teams leading rusher. He sacrificed his body just to get us in those playoffs, point blank. Does that sound to you like a supportive puff piece from a local reporter ahead of a crucial playoff game against a bitter division rival on the road?

In terms of 2019 and what the future holds for the Panthers, while the pass rush will absolutely be crucial in competing with the QB's in our division, it still all depends on how the OL and the run game holds up. If Cam is forced to once again shoulder the run game, the Panthers are likely going nowhere. It doesn't matter how well he might be passing the ball. We nearly went undefeated only a handful of years ago when Jonathan Stewart was running the ball amongst the best in the league allowing Newton to do what he does. If we want another deep playoff run, that's what has to happen again.

[TheSpecialJuan]

David NewtonESPN Staff Writer 

Luke Kuechly says it is important for a defensive player to play in preseason games to get used to tackling again. Yes, even a tackling machine like the six-time Pro Bowl selection needs a reminder on ‘'how to play football.'' That's why Kuechly will be somewhat bummed he, along with QB Cam Newton, won't play in Thursday night's preseason opener at Chicago.

[TheSpecialJuan]

David NewtonESPN Staff Writer 

Panthers' camp observations: 1. Seventh-round draft pick Jordan Scarlett re-aggravated lower back tightness that will keep him out of Thursday night's preseason opener at Chicago; 2. Backup tight end Ian Thomas, who stood out at practically every practice a year ago as a rookie, has been relatively quiet until today when he caught multiple big passes with starter Greg Olsen getting the day off; 3. DE Efe Obada was back after two days off to handle a personal issue. He even took a few snaps with the first team. 4. Kyle Allen continued to work ahead of Will Grier and will get the start at quarterback against Chicago with Cam Newton already ruled out; 5. Right tackle Taylor Moton took what coach Ron Rivera called a "bump'' that won't impact him playing on Thursday.