For those of you who say that Allen didn’t play against Saint’s starters.

[steven8989]

38 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Stop making stupid replies 

Block me or leave the huddle if u don't like it. This site has turned into straight poo every time someone is dropped we should get him they are great. Cam is out this guy beat saints starters and will win games. No u can tell we have gave up, look it's all over Rivera's face. We will see a new team next year and I'm glad as hell

[Iron Saint]

The majority of our defense didn’t play past the Panthers’ 3rd offensive series (out of 4 drives in the first half).

On y’all first 3 drives, y’all ran 38 plays (11 on the 1st drive, 10 on the 2nd drive, and 17 on the 3rd drive). That’s 38 defensive plays for our defense in slightly over 1 3/4ths of a quarter.

These are the snap counts of our starting defense from that game:

Jordan - 32 snaps

Davison - 45 snaps

Rankins - 26 snaps

Okafor - 20 snaps

Klein - 38 snaps

Anzalone - 37 snaps

Davis - 45 snaps

Lattimore - 36 snaps

Williams - 45 snaps

Bell - 39 snaps

Apple - 66 snaps

Only 5 of our defensive starters played past y’all 3rd offensive drive: Davis, Davison, and Williams (an additional 7 plays each, and didn’t play the 2nd half), Bell played one more snap after the 3rd drive, and Apple had to play the majority of the game considering we only dressed 4 CB’s total for that game (Lattimore, Apple, Crawley, and P.J. Williams) so to run nickel, someone had to play longer than everyone else. It happened to be Apple to give him more game experience in our defense since he had only been on our team for ~2 months at that point.

With that being said, Kyle Allen played great that game, even when our starters were in. But as other posters elaborated, our vanilla gameplan wasn’t to win. Due to the limitations of the 53-man roster and the 47-man gameday active list, starters HAD to play at least a considerable amount of snaps.

[ellis]

Okafor left early with an injury, I believe. Jordan was in the game with under 30 seconds left in the half. He got a pressure on Allen on that play (see vid). I get that he didn’t play past that, but still, they did a good job against starting-caliber of talent for an entire half

 

I was impressed with what Allen did in the snaps against the starters. I’m not looking at the entire game as one big blanket. But I understand your point, and it’s well taken. Took some good research to pull that together. I respect that.

[ellis]

Nothing about the Saints’ game plan seemed vanilla to me. They were blitzing five, sometimes six players.

 

This was a zone blitz. You typically don’t run a zone blitz when you’re just going thru the motions.

[Peppers90 NC]

But Steven does football so well

[tiger7_88]

lol

[steven8989]

Too bad many of you don't know much about football and what teams do when a game doesn't matter

[ellis]

I can’t tell you whether or not the Saints gave a crap that day. Only they could tell you that. But there wasn’t much vanilla about what Kyle Allen faced in the first half. That’s all I’m getting at. I look at the film and I try to take away from that what I can. No agendas. If I thought he sucked that day, or had it easy, I wouldn’t be breaking down film on it to this degree. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, ellis said:

I can’t tell you whether or not the Saints gave a crap that day. Only they could tell you that. But there wasn’t much vanilla about what Kyle Allen faced in the first half. That’s all I’m getting at. I look at the film and I try to take away from that what I can. No agendas. If I thought he sucked that day, or had it easy, I wouldn’t be breaking down film on it to this degree. 

No agenda here either, but a different conclusion.

For me, it was never about who was in, who was out, the gameplan or any of that. My judgment of the Saints was based on what I believe to be their primary purpose.

Don't get hurt.

When someone actually did, I have to imagine that probably set off a bunch of alarm bells.

Like anybody else, I want Kyle Allen to be great. I just don't believe there's much to be taken from this game. Heck, on the day it happened, people were saying we found our backup. My take was that we found a guy who could compete for the backup job, but hadn't earned the role.

Rivera clearly believes that he did. whether he believed it back then or didn't believe it until this offseason, I don't know.

[ellis]

 

[ellis]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

No agenda here either, but a different conclusion.

For me, it was never about who was in, who was out, the gameplan or any of that. My judgment of the Saints was based on what I believe to be their primary purpose.

Don't get hurt.

When someone actually did, I have to imagine that probably set off a bunch of alarm bells.

Like anybody else, I want Kyle Allen to be great. I just don't believe there's much to be taken from this game. Heck, on the day it happened, people were saying we found our backup. My take was that we found a guy who could compete for the backup job, but hadn't earned the role.

Rivera clearly believes that he did. whether he believed it back then or didn't believe it until this offseason, I don't know.

I can respect all of that. I still think he’s got what it takes to do this at a high-level. But we’ll see what happens.

[lovelett]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

No agenda here either, but a different conclusion.

For me, it was never about who was in, who was out, the gameplan or any of that. My judgment of the Saints was based on what I believe to be their primary purpose.

Don't get hurt.

When someone actually did, I have to imagine that probably set off a bunch of alarm bells.

Like anybody else, I want Kyle Allen to be great. I just don't believe there's much to be taken from this game. Heck, on the day it happened, people were saying we found our backup. My take was that we found a guy who could compete for the backup job, but hadn't earned the role.

Rivera clearly believes that he did. whether he believed it back then or didn't believe it until this offseason, I don't know.

I want Grier to start to see what he can do.... Cam didn’t exactly light the world on fire his first preseason neither did mustache....Grier could be really bad... or really good. Allen could surprise me but I see him as a backup at this point.

[stankowalski]

Honestly what we need right now is a Qb that will get the ball out to playmakers.  Cam just isn't up to it for whatever reason.  I think Cam wants to be the hero all the time and when he can't he struggles.  Not that Kyle Allen or Will Grier are the answer.  I just wish that Cam would take advantage of what he has around him more so than he has. 

I think we'll win in Arizona even without Cam, but this has got to be a wake up call to Cam to start using the weapons around him and stop trying to be a hero.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, ellis said:

I can respect all of that. I still think he’s got what it takes to do this at a high-level. But we’ll see what happens.

To be absolutely clear, I'm not saying that I know he isn't good enough. I'm saying that I don't know whether he is or not. And that's because I count everything I've seen of him last year and this year as "preseason".

As I'm sure you know, while preseason is generally the best tool I'm making a judgment, it's not all that reliable. There are way too many variables involved, and I've heard people say "Wow, Player X looked so much better/worse in preseason" enough times that I prefer to withhold judgement until I see the live bullets flying.

So all in all, at this point I suppose you could say I'm less "think he's got it" and more "hope he's got it".