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Props to Poe

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By gakonline,
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2 hours ago, KSpan said:

In all fairness he was not very good last year, or particularly good in Atlanta before that.

Well was anyone not named Christian on our team very good last year? He was good in Atlanta before that, everyone there wanted to keep him.

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28 minutes ago, KSpan said:

As a rough reference, Poe was PFF's 82nd ranked interior DL last year, a whopping 10 spots above Vernon Butler at 92. I also didn't say anything about Star, who I feel like had a monstrous 2013 both stuffing the run and rushing the passer but steadily declined thereafter.

Is that the end-all definitive source of truth? No, definitely not. But even assuming they're 25% low that puts him around 60th, smack at the bottom tier of starting interior lineman. I watched every game last year (a rarity since I am not a Carolina local) and 82nd fits about what I saw... not a great year in either the run or pass. This year has been better, be it scheme or otherwise.

 

PFF had Poe graded above average last year. That's the bottom line with PFF.

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5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

PFF had Poe graded above average last year. That's the bottom line with PFF.

82nd best interior DL means there were more than 2, on average, per every NFL team better than him and Vernon was 'average' only 10 spots and 2.2 points lower. His grade wasn't far above average.

Besides, the proof is in the pudding. If you're a stats person in only 2 games this year he's produced 1/3 the total tackles, 2/3 QB hits, 1/2 the tfls, and the same number of sacks. If you're a 'scheme matters more' person not only are his numbers better but the defense as a whole looks better including both Shaq and Luke, who directly benefit from effective NT play in the 3-4 type looks, and the pass rush is much improved overall.

Argue semantics if you wish but evidence thus far points to the defense being better with Poe's increased effectiveness in his current role, for whatever reason, as an supportable part of that.

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8 minutes ago, KSpan said:

82nd best interior DL means there were more than 2, on average, per every NFL team better than him and Vernon was 'average' only 10 spots and 2.2 points lower. His grade wasn't far above average.

Besides, the proof is in the pudding. If you're a stats person in only 2 games this year he's produced 1/3 the total tackles, 2/3 QB hits, 1/2 the tfls, and the same number of sacks. If you're a 'scheme matters more' person not only are his numbers better but the defense as a whole looks better including both Shaq and Luke, who directly benefit from effective NT play in the 3-4 type looks, and the pass rush is much improved overall.

Argue semantics if you wish but evidence thus far points to the defense being better with Poe's increased effectiveness in his current role, for whatever reason, as an supportable part of that.

Well honestly I told people there was reason to believe he'd be much better this season because we were setting him up for success. So you're preaching to the choir on that note. I'm not surprised at all.

In my estimation, Poe is just another example of people jumping the gun way too early in their zeal to be overly critical of the GM. It's almost humorous for people to make declarations with such authority and surety, and then made to look (well) foolish! And it's a cyclical thing.

I generally try to analyze a situation by looking at circumstances and context, and observing a good sample size before I make definitive judgements about a player. 

Like, the only new player I've been skeptical of is McCloud. I wouldn't trust him unless he was ill last week or something.

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