Bruce Irvin playing against Texans

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

30 minutes ago, Bartin said:

I’ve never really bought into the heavy rotation on the D line gives you a better overall pass rush. We rotate way more than any other team and other teams do just fine. It’s not like we have had some superstar pass rush in the 4th quarter. You need to play your best players as much as you can. Some rotation is good obviously but we overdo it

Do we though?  Looking at snap counts of the top 4 teams getting sacks so far this season.  Included LBs because often Edge Rushers (regardless if they line up at DE or LB) are often flagged as LBs for positions.

Panthers:

Jaguars :

Patriots:

Packers:

[Bartin]

16 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Do we though?  Looking at snap counts of the top 4 teams getting sacks so far this season.  Included LBs because often Edge Rushers (regardless if they line up at DE or LB) are often flagged as LBs for positions.

Panthers:

Jaguars :

Patriots:

Packers:

Jags and Packers are definitely playing their starters around 80 or more percent of the time. The Pats are lower than us but they have also been in 3 huge blowouts so not sure the data there is representative of what would actually happen.

We have been around 60%, we may be a touch up on that this year, for the last 6-7 years at least. I think it was a philosophy Gettleman brought in. Unclear what it was prior.

[Basbear]

4 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Over/under on how many snaps he will play?  I say 4 before he sits because he "tweeks" it again.

This would normally be right and it can happen, but it is not Bruce Irvin. Hes a true pro and a "throw-back". Tough guys that keep to themselves and practice hard are great to have as the League evolves into whatever it going to.   

Plus honestly I dont know whos jerseys he takes, miller & Haynes have played well. Lastly Irvin has to prove hes still got it, cause a couple of very familiar teams passed on his services.   

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

13 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Jags and Packers are definitely playing their starters around 80 or more percent of the time.

Are we looking at the same numbers?

Jags are not playing their interior DL 80% of the time.  That is Abry Jones and Marcell Dareus as their starters.

Jags have 1 DE playing 80%, the rest of their DE/Edge guys are in the 60% range.

Packers are playing their main NT at just under 80%.  While their DEs are in the 60% range.

Just looking at snap counts.  I am struggling to find a good defense that relies on their starters on the DLine for 80% of their snaps.

[Bartin]

3 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Are we looking at the same numbers?

Jags are not playing their interior DL 80% of the time.  That is Abry Jones and Marcell Dareus as their starters.

Jags have 1 DE playing 80%, the rest of their DE/Edge guys are in the 60% range.

Packers are playing their main NT at just under 80%.  While their DEs are in the 60% range.

Just looking at snap counts.  I am struggling to find a good defense that relies on their starters on the DLine for 80% of their snaps.

Packers edge rushers are the two Smiths who are both at around 90%.

For the Jags, it’s a little different because they have 3 starters on the edge and Campbell moves inside so they can have all three of them on the field at the same time and those guys are all around 75% on the year.

So really each team has 3 guys play 75%+ of the snaps then rotate the 4th spot.

I’d like to see us closer to 75-80% for our top DL/Edge. We are up a bit this year from years past when it was often closer to 60% of the time which I am pleased with.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

5 minutes ago, Bartin said:

I’d like to see us closer to 75-80% for our top DL/Edge. We are up a bit this year from years past when it was often closer to 60% of the time which I am pleased with.

Our top edge guys are in the 66-70 range.  That really isn't far off.  Just a couple more plays a game at that point.  And considering I feel we are pretty strong in the edge game this year, I am fine with keeping fresh legs on the field when I feel the talent drop off isn't large.

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, Waldo said:

Your negativity is even greater than the people you complain about. Get off the soap box at let people have feelings and opinions. 

Yup.

Because I'm on a soap box. But since you accused me.of it, let me step up. 

Bruce is a valuable piece. I can't begin to wrap my.mind around anyone not wanting him to be a part of this defense.  That's mind blowing.  

I'm glad I'm not the person you claim I am. 

It was nice of you to step up, and talk out of your ass and off topic.  

[MasterAwesome]

4 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

No one had mentioned Hurney until you did.  Weird circle jerk imo.

You seem to have an unhealthy fascination with him.

I mean, he was literally talking about Marty’s “cock” in another thread earlier today so yeah I’d say there’s definitely something weird going on in this dude’s head.

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Yup.

Because I'm on a soap box. But since you accused me.of it, let me step up. 

Bruce is a valuable piece. I can't begin to wrap my.mind around anyone not wanting him to be a part of this defense.  That's mind blowing.  

I'm glad I'm not the person you claim I am. 

It was nice of you to step up, and talk out of your ass and off topic.  

I disagree and think Bruce can be and should be a valuable piece if healthy but there is also the downside. We have personnel issues and it's not a new problem. If you say that's BS, I say D Williams this year. This is a great game for him to come in and get some reps, especially with his injury and Haynes out. Problem is when he is fully healthy, he still shouldn't take many reps from Burns, Haynes and Miller. It's a great thing for the team because those guys really benefited from Irvin not being active and they are looking great. But it's not a lock and I can't fault others for not wanting those guys to have less reps at this point. 

As to the rest, you have been bent over in the forum so many times I can't believe you aren't charging for your services. I guess it's not my ass that's doing any work here.