Speculation is Cam will start after the bye.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

4 minutes ago, raz said:

i think a lot of the baby goat and he's the next tb is tongue in cheek, at least i know it is for me.  i know i'm just unbelievably stoked we have a backup qb who can thread some needles and doesn't look completely lost.  its so much better than pickles running backwards and throwing the ball backwards with 2 hands

I mean, I get that.  I am not taking the "next tom brady" stuff seriously.  I am specifically talking about the scenario that if Cam Newton returns, if Allen is still only putting up about 230 yards of offense and still losing the ball 2-3 times a game..that regardless of win streak a healthy Newton should see the field.

If Cam comes back and shows he can't win, put Allen back in.  But, to me, Allen isn't playing well enough *right now* to jump him over a healthy Newton, unless Newton comes back and struggles.  If Allen improves, its a different story.  Don't get me wrong, I love that Allen is playing a ton better than what he did in the preseason.  I love having a good back up.  I am not Anti-Allen or anything.  

I would need to see the turnovers go down, and more passing yards.  We can't be reliant on CMC for that much of our offense over the course of a season.

That being said, please please don't let (anyone, not you specifically) take this to mean I want Allen to fail, I am not hopeful or excited about his play.  Hell, I grabbed him in my fantasy league.

[raz]

if we stay on a win streak with all these injuries, i mean, that would be crazy.  no idea how we're gonna accomplish that.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I strongly feel that the 3 lost fumbles of the guy we routinely say has amazing pocket awareness, one which lead directly to a touchdown had a much larger impact in a low scoring game than anything Jackson did.  And I know, the line needed to block better at points.  But I guess I feel that a person who has *amazing pocket awareness* would be able to.  I dunno.  Be aware.  Of things.  In the pocket.

I am not trying to say Newton is perfect.  I dont feel my point is complicated.

But I trust a healthy Newton to get more than ~230 yards of offense and less than 2.5 turn overs a game.

Lot of ways you can look at that, though. There's "he could have cost us game" or there's "look what he overcame to lead us to a win".

It's a matter of perspective.

My perspective is I want to see what he does next game, and the one after that, and etc.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Lot of ways you can look at that, though. There's "he could have cost us game" or there's "look what he overcame to lead us to a win".

It's a matter of perspective.

My perspective is I want to see what he does next game, and the one after that, and etc

I guess to me personally, Allen didn't lead us.

CMC lead the offense.  The Defense lead the game.

And I feel there is nothing wrong with that.  Allen isn't the one that will *lead* us to wins.  Not yet.  And that is ok.  We have the benefit of having a defense playing at an elite level, and one of the best RBs in the NFL to lean on.  This gives Allen time to improve and get experience so that one day he can be the one leading us.

He has the potential.  He has crisp throws.  I love how he spreads the ball around.  Honestly, I think that is his greatest aspect.  When he does drop back to throw it, you can't just think "gotta double Olsen".  Allen has no issue throwing the ball to anyone.

 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I guess to me personally, Allen didn't lead us.

CMC lead the offense.  The Defense lead the game.

And I feel there is nothing wrong with that.  Allen isn't the one that will *lead* us to wins.  Not yet.  And that is ok.  We have the benefit of having a defense playing at an elite level, and one of the best RBs in the NFL to lean on.  This gives Allen time to improve and get experience so that one day he can be the one leading us.

He has the potential.  He has crisp throws.  I love how he spreads the ball around.  Honestly, I think that is his greatest aspect.  When he does drop back to throw it, you can't just think "gotta double Olsen".  Allen has no issue throwing the ball to anyone.

He sure as hell led it against the Cardinals, though. That was as good a quarterback performance as we've seen in a long time. Yeah, you can discount it because they're a bad team, but that's what you're supposed to do to bad teams.

Joking and speculation aside, Allen actually could be the next Tom Brady.

He could also be the next Scott Mitchell.

Neither of those things is necessarily silly to say. What's silly is anyone suggesting they already know for sure.

[TheRed]

I'm really trying to wrap my mind around these attempts at negating 3 lost fumbles. I mean I have seen people absolutely losing their poo over some of Newton's mistakes. There's just no universe where the Panthers exist where it makes sense that the same fans who used to scream at the top of their lungs about Cam holding the ball too long for example are suddenly cool with lost fumbles.

[Darvinsun]

On 10/1/2019 at 9:22 PM, hepcat said:

Firstly, if Allen wins 4 games in a row after the team started 0-2, you can’t bench him. Play him till he sucks. Just gives Cam more time to get healthy. 

Secondly, will Cam ever be healthy? He had an entire offseason to get his body in order then hurt his foot after like 8 freaking plays against the Patriots in the preseason. That’s not a good sign. 

T I believe not playing him in preseason hurt him more than helped him. No true off-season and the one preseason game trying to prove that u are better and can do all things hurt. Just like now quarter of team is hurt.

[raz]

36 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I'm really trying to wrap my mind around these attempts at negating 3 lost fumbles. I mean I have seen people absolutely losing their poo over some of Newton's mistakes. There's just no universe where the Panthers exist where it makes sense that the same fans who used to scream at the top of their lungs about Cam holding the ball too long for example are suddenly cool with lost fumbles.

i don't think your mind is big enough to wrap around anything.   now stick your pinky out and keep drinking your tea and pretending you're superior to everyone and your fandom is the only true fandom  

[TheRed]

10 minutes ago, raz said:

i don't think your mind is big enough to wrap around anything.   now stick your pinky out and keep drinking your tea and pretending you're superior to everyone and your fandom is the only true fandom  

You spent your morning openly fantasizing about Colin Kaepernick getting beaten up behind our OL. You're garbage. 

[cookinbrak]

Interception on 3rd down= short punt.

Fumble on 3rd down= blocked punt.

[hepcat]

57 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

T I believe not playing him in preseason hurt him more than helped him. No true off-season and the one preseason game trying to prove that u are better and can do all things hurt. Just like now quarter of team is hurt.

I don't disagree with the reasons why Cam was struggling. Injuries and lack of practice time are a huge factor. But mid-season you can't replace a healthy QB that is winning with one that hasn't practiced in a month or played well in almost a year. If/when Allen struggles and the team loses, it's Cam time (when he's healthy)

[steven8989]

20 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I don't disagree with the reasons why Cam was struggling. Injuries and lack of practice time are a huge factor. But mid-season you can't replace a healthy QB that is winning with one that hasn't practiced in a month or played well in almost a year. If/when Allen struggles and the team loses, it's Cam time (when he's healthy)

This is the best post I've seen since all these threads got started about who should play. No doubt this is how we should treat this. 

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I don't disagree with the reasons why Cam was struggling. Injuries and lack of practice time are a huge factor. But mid-season you can't replace a healthy QB that is winning with one that hasn't practiced in a month or played well in almost a year. If/when Allen struggles and the team loses, it's Cam time (when he's healthy)

Yep.

Plug-and-play only works with electronics. Human beings are way more complicated.

[raz]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

You spent your morning openly fantasizing about Colin Kaepernick getting beaten up behind our OL. You're garbage. 

did you know that a joke often goes over the head of unintelligent people?  r/whoosh