Quick thread on high-level aspects of Cam Newton's play first two weeks

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Wolfpack352 said:

Are you sure?  Because if your trotting out onto the field to play, then you good enough to play.  Every game quarterbacks are throwing in every which way due to pressures and scrambling, some do good at it others not so much.  

Might be more accurate to say that if you're trotting out onto the field, you think you're good enough to play. Your head coach also thinks you're good enough to play.

Both of those ideas are subjective.

Whether or not you actually are good enough to play is very, very objective.

[SBiii]

10 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Why does he have to start practicing by the 9th to play on the 27th?

It literally happens all the time.  Its literally slated to happen this weekend for another big name player.  And if it doesn't happen this week, it will happen next week.  Which would still be under 3 weeks for Melvin Gordon.

Fair enough.

If Cam is to play on the 27th when do u think he will have to start shopping...errr, practicing...in order to be prepared to play?

5 days ahead? More? Less?

 

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

 If he (Cam) isn't at  the game in Sunday you have to wonder what is going on.

This.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

4 hours ago, SBiii said:

Fair enough.

If Cam is to play on the 27th when do u think he will have to start shopping...errr, practicing...in order to be prepared to play?

5 days ahead? More? Less?

Some time the week of.  Like any other veteran player in the league I guess.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Some time the week of.  Like any other veteran player in the league I guess.

Everytime Cam has missed significant practice he has needed quite a few reps to get back his touch.  At least he could run to make up for it. 100% better means that for his sake, Cam won't be out there until we know that he can be his old self and play well. Otherwise we are setting him up for failure. Rivera wouldn't do that to his franchise quarterback.

[raz]

21 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Everytime Cam has missed significant practice he has needed quite a few reps to get back his touch.  At least he could run to make up for it. 100% better means that for his sake, Cam won't be out there until we know that he can be his old self and play well. Otherwise we are setting him up for failure. Rivera wouldn't do that to his franchise quarterback.

bro, rivera has done way worse to him.   that's a crazy take.  cam doesn't have the ability to objectively look at his ability and rivera doesn't have the ability to sit him down for his own good, or the good of the team.  we've seen that over and over.

[raz]

13 hours ago, Saca312 said:

His reads aren't bad.

His bad throws come as a result of him being unable to plant his foot properly. Simple as that.

so he's had a bad foot his whole career?   

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, raz said:

bro, rivera has done way worse to him.   that's a crazy take.  cam doesn't have the ability to objectively look at his ability and rivera doesn't have the ability to sit him down for his own good, or the good of the team.  we've seen that over and over.

That would make no sense for Ron to mistreat Cam or run him into the ground as critics suggest. If his career is tied to Cam and all of his success is due to Cam then why would he in essence kill the golden goose.  Any leeway he gives Cam is because he has a lot of respect for Cam and didn't want to replace him until he had no choice. When you replace a QB for anything other than injury it undermines their leadership and is a heavy blow to their confidence. 

It is funny to me that it is Ron's fault that Cam doesn't know his limitations and what is in his own self interest and Ron instead of Cam should do the right thing. How about a 9 year veteran do some self analysis and make his own decisions.

[MHS831]

On 10/3/2019 at 5:50 PM, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

cam is elite still but if you say “hey maybe we should let him get healthy before writing him off” you get accused of not wanting to win by the same people who want to roll with kyle allen lol. this thread is way too good for this fan base and i won’t blame the dude behind that account when he inevitably deactivates again

Cam is an elite athlete---can you really say he is an elite QB?  (no sarcasm---a legit question).  Before you answer,  eliminate the rushing accomplishments--which have been incredible.  I just wonder if running is still going to be an effective option for him.

Career passing:  59.6% completion percentage, 232 yards per game, 182 TDs vs 108 interceptions.

I think this explains the lack of enthusiasm for his return, as long as Allen is winning and completing 71% of his passes, 246 yards per game, 4 TDs vs. 0 interceptions.  

It is not fair to Cam to compare his entire career to Allen's without running, but moving forward, is Cam going to keep running?  I do not see his body holding up.  That does not mean we are denouncing Cam as a QB, it means that there are signs that worry fans---knowing the contract situation, etc.

In addition, Allen's TD percentage (6.6%)  is higher than Cam's (4.6 %).  Allen's average yards per reception (8.3) is higher than Cam's (7.3).

So if you tell Cam to stop running and become a pocket passer, is he better?

Finally, Kyle's numbers were posted on the road--all 3 games.  Not bad when you consider how much harder playing QB is on the road vs. at home.

Is the only argument against Allen based on his "body of work?"  If so, who's fault is that?  He can only play when he gets the chance, and when he has, he has done well.

 

 

[raz]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

That would make no sense for Ron to mistreat Cam or run him into the ground as critics suggest. If his career is tied to Cam and all of his success is due to Cam then why would he in essence kill the golden goose.  Any leeway he gives Cam is because he has a lot of respect for Cam and didn't want to replace him until he had no choice. When you replace a QB for anything other than injury it undermines their leadership and is a heavy blow to their confidence. 

It is funny to me that it is Ron's fault that Cam doesn't know his limitations and what is in his own self interest and Ron instead of Cam should do the right thing. How about a 9 year veteran do some self analysis and make his own decisions.

i'm with you on the 9 year veteran completely.   but the cam can do no wrong crowd is correct for putting blame on ron also.  why would ron not pull the golden goose in '16,  how about last year - why did tepper have to tell marty to pull him? you're just not correct about ron.   

[panthers55]

6 minutes ago, raz said:

i'm with you on the 9 year veteran completely.   but the cam can do no wrong crowd is correct for putting blame on ron also.  why would ron not pull the golden goose in '16,  how about last year - why did tepper have to tell marty to pull him? you're just not correct about ron.   

You saw the saga play out on the show.  I am only pointing out what most folks not on this forum think about Ron.  And what I read. The problem for both of us is that we filter what we read and believe to be consistent with what we already think is true or false.

[raz]

 

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You saw the saga play out on the show.  I am only pointing out what most folks not on this forum think about Ron.  And what I read. The problem for both of us is that we filter what we read and believe to be consistent with what we already think is true or false.

he sent him out there this year twice.  he saw him practice.  the whole team did.  they all knew.  and ron sent him out there twice.    i have a lot of issues with ron as a head coach.  doing great on the D.  shouldn't have to.  we could have had todd bowles, or another competent coordinator.  he's only doing it because his hire for d coordinator stinks at calling plays.    i don't think he has what it takes to be cams head coach.   he hasn't shown that he has.  i think i believe the story that they're on eggshells with cam.   

[panthers55]

30 minutes ago, raz said:

 

he sent him out there this year twice.  he saw him practice.  the whole team did.  they all knew.  and ron sent him out there twice.    i have a lot of issues with ron as a head coach.  doing great on the D.  shouldn't have to.  we could have had todd bowles, or another competent coordinator.  he's only doing it because his hire for d coordinator stinks at calling plays.    i don't think he has what it takes to be cams head coach.   he hasn't shown that he has.  i think i believe the story that they're on eggshells with cam.   

Great objective analysis, guaranteed to change anyone's mind still sitting on the fence.  LOL

[SBiii]

6 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Some time the week of.  Like any other veteran player in the league I guess.

For a RB or WR or DB possibly......the QB needs to work on timing with his receivers and such.....

.....if Cam begins practicing on Tuesday and then starts on the 27th he will fail miserably.