I don't think we can bench Kyle Allen...

[TheMaulClaw]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Is that perception actually accurate though? With over 5 minutes to go in the 3rd we started what would be a 9 play TD drive. 5 passes, 4 runs. The next drive started with under 13 minutes to go in the game. Three and out. 2 passes, 1 run.  The next drive started with under 10 to go. 2 passes, 3 runs.  

We really only took our foot off the gas and became lopsidedly run heavy in our last two drives with under 5 minutes to go.

Yeah its accurate. That's a riverboat thing. Remember the 2015 Packers game during Cams mvp year?

[SBiii]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I seriously doubt you know what "game manager" actually means.

Nor do I.

Would you mind providing an explicit definition of one that's agreed to by all the Huddle experts? 

***On 10/2/2019 at 12:17 AM, 332nd said:

"Game manager" is a QB who has a few games a season where they light it up, but for most games they just don't turn the ball over, have rather pedestrian stats, but they keep the defense off balance enough that they usually come out with a win. 

Basically they don't carry the team, they just make sure everyone does their job.***

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How do you feel about 332nd's assessment of what a "game manager" is?

To me that describes a QB who wins 10 or 11 games ever year and makes the playoffs at least 80% and sometimes goes deep in the playoffs --- Russell Wilson if you will.

If that's an accurate interpretation of "game manager", sign me up for some of that.

[stratocatter]

2 hours ago, PhillyB said:

make cam win the job back????????

this fanbase is deranged beyond repair 

You are absolutely right, some of it is. But I don't think in the way that you mean. I don't even know why I am typing because minds are so made up already. I am positive yours is. Or you'd be more open to pragmatism as opposed to fanaticism (fan).

One of the main jobs of the coaching staff is to put the players that give you the best chance to win on the field. For a long time it was Cam.

The main job is to win. Sort of the same job.

I think Rivera and Turner and especially Rivera did not believe we could win a game without him at QB. They now know we can win more than we lose without him. They have a choice (and you let the players decide that).

We gave the first two games of the season away. Dug a huge hole. If we want to finish the year in the playoffs we have barely any margin for error. Stop digging holes.

Seems obvious that a big reason Allen has been successful is all those reps he has gotten with the ones. How long has it been since Cam took the snaps all week in practice. In camp?

We can't have camp and preseason in the regular season on game day. Well we can, but we are not respecting our fans or the players or anyone in the organization if we indulge one player (like has obviously been done, especially our last, four or five losses).

If Cam is the guy ready to be the starting quarterback he will show it in practice and workouts. The players will know. The coaches will know. You make him compete for the job like every other player. Fine, start him out with the ones. But he has to show he belongs there. I really don't care, AS LONG AS WE WIN. Sucks watching when we don't.

That's about that on the surface, but there is a little more to it even. If you put Cam out there and he stinks it up and has to be benched you have really damaged his value. Bad for him, bad for the team. Lose/lose. They need to be 100% sure of what they are doing.

[SBiii]

11 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

If Cam is the guy ready to be the starting quarterback he will show it in practice and workouts. The players will know. The coaches will know. You make him compete for the job like every other player.

That's about that on the surface, but there is a little more to it even. If you put Cam out there and he stinks it up and has to be benched you have really damaged his value. Bad for him, bad for the team. Lose/lose. They need to be 100% sure of what they are doing.

Excellent points.

If Cam comes back and proves he's the better QB then I'm all for putting him back into the lineup.

However, he can't do that in a week of practice.  I don't think he can do it in 3-weeks of practice.  I think it will take a month of consistent practice to see if Cam really can play better than Kyle....not to mention win back the trust and support of his teammates & coaches. 

Richardson was heavily invested in Cam both emotionally and financially and Riverboat managed Cam accordingly --- Cam always came first.

Tepper is all about results.  In his world as long as a person could produces returns he doesn't care about where their degree came from. 

This mindset allows Riverboat the leeway to put the #1 pick and MVP and all the other attendant bulls*** in the rear-view mirror manage the team for one thing --- RESULTS.

Cam is going to have to earn his way back into the fold again....the freebie gravy train is over.

(will be interesting to see if he still has a "C" on his jersey if he comes back)

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Yeah its accurate. That's a riverboat thing. Remember the 2015 Packers game during Cams mvp year?

I mean, going through the play by play doesn't suggest that it's accurate but perceptions are tough to change.

[trucpfan]

41 minutes ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

I’m sorry but a 100% healthy cam is much better than kyle Allen. The defense is playing insanely good The Golden Calf of Bristol could’ve won that game today. If your defense forces 7 Turnovers and you don’t win you’re trash I don’t put much stock into this game. Show me Allen winning a shootout Against a good team where our defense plays bad and i might change my mind

When I sit back and watch these games I see it differently I saw a qb accurately place passes giving his WRs opportunities to make plays and keep trucking up the field. By doing that we extended drives and  made the plays we needed to. The reason the defense has been feasting so much lately IMO I’ll say it is because he rarely turns the ball over. He usually gives the guys time to regroup by not throwing a pointless interception. It allows Luke the proper adjustment time to analyze poo and next series he’s f’n dialed in ready for the opponent. They’re playing off each other out d is tremendous Luke’s brilliant and we have athletes all over the field you need a QB to protect the ball make accurate throws and we’re keep dominating with defense.

[t96]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They went to the AFC championship game losing in OT to the eventual champs.

My point is that the mantra of "defense wins championships" isn't anywhere near as true as it used to be. All five of the top ranked defenses were eliminated in the wildcard round. Only two top ten defenses made it past the wildcard round. The playoffs were littered with top offensive teams. Meanwhile, the top four scoring offenses were the Chiefs, Rams, Saints, and Patriots. Guess what the final four teams remaining were? The Chiefs, Rams, Saints, and Patriots. The final four consisted of the #1, #2, #3, and #4 scoring offenses and the #7, #14, #20, and #24 defenses. The average defensive ranking was #16. Perfectly average. 

Defense absolutely still matters, but if you want to compete for Lombardis you better be able to score. The NFL will continue to tweak the rules to encourage higher scoring games because there's a strong correlation between scoring and viewership.

There are many different ways to win Super Bowls but you need to have an overall complete team, offense, defense and ST. If your offense is more of a strength fine but you still need a great defense. If your offense is weaker a great D can make up for it.

 

Look at the defensive rankings of the SB winners back to 2012:

2012: Ravens, tied for #12 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

2013: Seahawks, #1 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

2014: Patriots, #8 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

2015: Broncos, #4 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

2016: Patriots, #1 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

2017: Eagles, #4 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

2018: Patriots, #7 ranked team defense in points against in regular season

 

All top 8 except for the Ravens who were still a defensive strength team in 2012. 

[Mr. Scot]

Some national guys weighing in on this, starting with Mike Freeman...

[Mr. Scot]

Geoff Schwartz...

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Gotta remember, the primary job of the media is to get attention for themselves and whatever outlet employs them. Controversy gets attention.

The narrative will spin a complete 180 if Allen were to have a bad showing against the Niners and we get blown out.

 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Gotta remember, the primary job of the media is to get attention for themselves and whatever outlet employs them. Controversy gets attention.

The narrative will spin a complete 180 if Allen were to have a bad showing against the Niners and we get blown out.

I don't really see Schwartz as a "media" type though.

Freeman wrote a full length article on it. I'm debating whether to put that here or post it separately.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I don't really see Schwartz as a "media" type though.

Freeman wrote a full length article on it. I'm debating whether to put that here or post it separately.

Just out it here. God knows we already have enough Cam this, Allen that threads.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just out it here. God knows we already have enough Cam this, Allen that threads.

I get that, but this one mentions citing some Panther sources (unnamed, of course).

I'm leaning toward giving it its own thread.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get that, but this one mentions citing some Panther sources (unnamed, of course).

I'm leaning toward giving it its own thread.

Ah, the "unnamed sources" bit. Juicy.

LOL!