Kyle Allen's numbers

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We know the basic rundown. 4-0 record, 901 yards, 7 TD, 0 INT, 106.6 rating, 56.3 QBR.

But here are some interesting numbers and where he is among other QBs right now.

 

TD % (percentage of TDs thrown per attempt): 5.7% which is good for 9th in the league.

Yards gained per attempt: 7.4 (14th in league)

Adjusted yards gained per pass attempt (factors in yardage per TD and INT): 8.5, good for 7th in league

Yards gained per completion: 11.3 (16th, right behind Cam at 11.4)

 

5th in league in rating, 12th in QBR.

All stats per pro football reference.

Now the above is to illustrate that Allen is not only playing well and putting up impressive numbers for a second year player, but that he is playing at a much higher level than many here will have you believe.

I think Cam will get the start when he is deemed healthy, but the numbers above say that Cam BETTER ball because this season determines if he plays in Carolina after this season is done.

We know this because I tried to compare Cam's numbers for a season when he was healthy and the team did well, 2017....it wasn't good. Cam was middle of the pack to very bottom of the league in almost every stat.

Does the above mean Allen will continue to trend his numbers up? Does the above mean Cam won't come back to dominate? No to both, however, statistical trends tell you something and you better believe that Tepper is looking at stuff like this very closely.

[SmartyHurney]

Fumbles per game? Yards per game? Touchdowns per game? Rating vs Blitz?

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8 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

Fumbles per game? Yards per game? Touchdowns per game? Rating vs Blitz?

 

Fumbles per game: 1.5 (tied second most)

Yards per game: 225

TDs per game: 1.75 (Russell Wilson is at 2.3, to give you an idea where he stacks up.

 

PFR doesn't provide numbers vs blitz

 

[SmartyHurney]

1 minute ago, lightsout said:

 

Fumbles per game: 1.5 (tied second most)

Yards per game: 225

TDs per game: 1.75 (Russell Wilson is at 2.3, to give you an idea where he stacks up.

 

PFR doesn't provide numbers vs blitz

 

So wait, where does 225 yards and 1.75 TD/game put him within the league? What is he ranked.

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Just now, SmartyHurney said:

So wait, where does 225 yards and 1.75 TD/game put him within the league? What is he ranked.

 

I did the math myself on him. Those numbers weren't listed (they're literally number/games). I don't feel like running through every QB in the league. Might do the top 10 though and see, just to give reference points

[SmartyHurney]

I did quick search, and maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like Allen is at 25th in the league for passing yards per game.

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Average yards per game

1. Patrick Maholmes 350 yards
2. Matt Ryan 335 yards
3. Dak Prescott 313 yards
4. Phillip Rivers 297 yards
5. Jameis Winston 295 yards
6. Tom Brady 290 yards
7. Jared Goff 287 yards
8. Russell WIlson 284 yards
9. Kyler Murray 277 yards
10. Andy Dalton 274 yards


Average TDs per game

1. Matt Ryan 2.5
2. Patrick Maholmes 2.3
3. Russell Wilson 2.3
4. Jameis Winston 2
5. Deshaun Watson 2
6. Carson Wentz 2
7. Dak Prescott 1.8
8. Lamar Jackson 1.8
9. Tom Brady 1.6
10. Jacoby Brissett 2

[ncfan]

Some other #s

- has yet to have to come from behind and "win" a game.  With a team with a top D and elite RB carrying the team

- 4-0 vs teams with a combined 6-11-1 record

- including 2 road games (1 being the Cardinals)

 

Yes this team has been great while he's been in.  But he hasnt had to face any pressure, win games.  And in a offense that the guy (some are saying shouldnt come back when he is 100%) was having better Numbers than his NFL MVP season

 

Kyle is doing what we all prayed for.  A backup that wouldnt come in and lose us games.  We have the talent around to win some games with a QB who does enough to not lose the games. 

 

It has been 4 weeks but its still early.  Matt Moore started out 4-1 and people started thinking he could be the future QB1.

 

Let him get through SF and face some games where the OL is struggling, the Run game is shut down, theyre down and he has to lift the team on his back and carry them to a win then we can have the discussion.

  We're seriously discussing having a guy who has gone through a easy schedule not have to win games to replace a guy who was just having a MVP season prior to injury including lifting the whole team on his back in a 21 point 4th quarter comeback in Philly.

 

If he is still the starter After the GB game and we only have 1 loss.  We can have the discussion.  But lets not get ahead of ourselves 

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4 minutes ago, SmartyHurney said:

I did quick search, and maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like Allen is at 25th in the league for passing yards per game.

Maybe somewhere around there. Might be a little higher than that or a little lower.

[Pantha-kun]

If he remains the starter he's staring right down the barrell AT 49ers and AT green bay. Let's see what his stats are after the next game we play, 49ers might be the best team we play on our schedule.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

It cracks me up how posters have to walk around on egg shells to prevent triggering Cam loyalists. I know the main reason is that there are Panther fans who secretly have always hated Cam and are now taking advantage of Kyle doing well to bash Cam. So we've got some big fans of Cam who feel like they need to defend Cam and in turn downplay everything Kyle Allen does.

But let's all just chill tf out with the "he's just a decent back up" narrative. Most back ups cannot make the throws that Allen has been making. Dude has been downright impressive.

And yes, the team around him is playing lights out, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done through 4 games. 

[SmartyHurney]

1 minute ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

It cracks me up how posters have to walk around on egg shells to prevent triggering Cam loyalists. I know the main reason is that there are Panther fans who secretly have always hated Cam and are now taking advantage of Kyle doing well to bash Cam. So we've got some big fans of Cam who feel like they need to defend Cam and in turn downplay everything Kyle Allen does.

But let's all just chill tf out with the "he's just a decent back up" narrative. Most back ups cannot make the throws that Allen has been making. Dude has been downright impressive.

And yes, the team around him is playing lights out, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done through 4 games. 

No, no, no, please post a video of a throw Kyle Allen has made that a backup cannot. I can find you a backup every fuging year that looks amazing for a stretch (way better than Allen mind you), and they almost always fizzle out. This is ridiculous.

[mav1234]

15 minutes ago, ncfan said:

It has been 4 weeks but its still early.  Matt Moore started out 4-1 and people started thinking he could be the future QB1.

First, i agree there is no reason to bench Cam right now if he is fully healthy.  He should be the starter, at least if he could become fully healthy before we get more data on Allen.

But, I think comparisons to Moore, Cassel, Flynn etc are all off.  Yes, some of those guys had decent starts as backups.  But none of them started 5 and 0 with no INTs.  Moore for instance, over his first five starts, threw 4 tds and 3 ints and was 3-2. He did rip off a nice win streak after that, but what Allen is doing, albeit with help, really is impressive IMO.

Allen really has been special for a young qb making his first starts, and will undoubtedly grow. I am really excited about him.  But Cam to start last year was so good that if he is truly healthy, he will give us the best shot at a deep run.

[SmartyHurney]

Just curious, but where do the Panthers players rank on YAC? Christian, Samuel, Moore, how much do they average vs the rest of the league.