Regarding the fake punt...

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, ncstatekwi said:

Funny you mention it...my Dad and I talked about him all week and how the Panthers need another  Michael Bates!!  He went straight from point A to B when he got the ball in his hands!!!

Yea he ran straight cause he was a track guy, back then you could wedge on ST that helped a lot.  Dude was fast

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Cooper was the best gunner we've ever had

He and Rod Smart were both a tad...out there 

[Oldmanrivera]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I mean that's fair. I'll be the first to admit if it doesn't work I'm pissed just like everyone else. Here's the funny thing: I think if it doesn't work and the Titans win, Ron probably doesn't throw Colin under the bus in the presser because even if 100% true there's no way to do it without it looking absolutely horrible. I strongly suspect in that situation we all blame Ron for a bad call and he never tells anyone, and I say that as someone pretty tired of Ron as a HC and ready to move on for the most part. Just think it's a weird thing.

I agree, and I think that's why players love him.

As much as there is to be frustrated with Ron, he can galvanize a talented group, I think he has great intentions, and great character, but it all has to align for it to equal a high caliber team.

Hes more of a conduit on a confident high caliber team, than a coach who can will a team to victory

[Mr. Scot]

Side Note: I remember the day we signed Rod Smart. I was at work when the news came out and I remember thinking "Good grief, we signed He Hate Me! What the hell are we doing?! 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Oldmanrivera said:

I agree, and I think that's why players love him.

As much as there is to be frustrated with Ron, he can galvanize a talented group, I think he has great intentions, and great character, but it all has to align for it to equal a high caliber team.

Hes more of a conduit on a confident high caliber team, than a coach who can will a team to victory

I also think he can get outcoached on x's and o's by sharp coaches and this is a big part of why the Saints seem to have owned us for a while now. Maybe I have some observation bias with the horrible taste of last week still in my mouth, but I honestly think this is an opinion of Ron I've formed over the entire course of his career. As a tactician he seems inferior. I don't think he can will a  team to victory either. I think what he can do is keep a team that is having a bad year from giving up, and make a talented bunch gel and foster a positive locker room. Those things aren't nothing, but I'm really starting to lean towards the conclusion that they only get you so far. For me the proof is in his record. As a HC he makes the playoffs about a third of the time. For the NFL, all other things being equal, that is average. No better, no worse.

After this many years, I'm ready to look for better, partly because I'm also seeing his growth as a coach seems to have capped.

[Oldmanrivera]

12 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I also think he can get outcoached on x's and o's by sharp coaches and this is a big part of why the Saints seem to have owned us for a while now. Maybe I have some observation bias with the horrible taste of last week still in my mouth, but I honestly think this is an opinion of Ron I've formed over the entire course of his career. As a tactician he seems inferior. I don't think he can will a  team to victory either. I think what he can do is keep a team that is having a bad year from giving up, and make a talented bunch gel and foster a positive locker room. Those things aren't nothing, but I'm really starting to lean towards the conclusion that they only get you so far. For me the proof is in his record. As a HC he makes the playoffs about a third of the time. For the NFL, all other things being equal, that is average. No better, no worse.

After this many years, I'm ready to look for better, partly because I'm also seeing his growth as a coach seems to have capped.

No doubt, I think it's an attribute I'd take when I think the players can carry the team.

But def not when a team needs a coach

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, Shaqil915 said:

Colin Jones...

The man can do it all 

 

except for play his listed position.

Yet he has strong value to the team. 

[tailg8or]

4 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Best special teams player in Panthers history by far.

I'd take Bates

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Folks, those of you defending the decision (because it was successful) are showing just how much you do not get football.  It was an unnecessary risk.  The reward (4 yards) was not worth the risk (points fo the other team).  It would have thrown gas on their momentum fire and could have changed the outcome of the game for them--it did not help us win. 

Yes--it worked this time.  If he had got stuffed (he nearly did) and they scored another TD and we lost by 3, you would be on the other side.  Under no circumstance was it smart, advisable, or recommended.  We got lucky.

Dude by saying all that I think you show the lack of understanding of one of the most important parts of football.

momentum and energy.

Tennessee had just taken the momentum, scored in a very emasculating way. Then comes a 3 and out. On their way to taking back the game.

that was squashed with the conversion, and the resulting energy from it carried the team down the field, more touchdowns and Bobs your Uncle.

It may not have worked for sure— but it did.  
 

sometimes big boy moments are what you need to wake everyone up.

[1of10Charnatives]

18 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Dude by saying all that I think you show the lack of understanding of one of the most important parts of football.

momentum and energy.

Tennessee had just taken the momentum, scored in a very emasculating way. Then comes a 3 and out. On their way to taking back the game.

that was squashed with the conversion, and the resulting energy from it carried the team down the field, more touchdowns and Bobs your Uncle.

It may not have worked for sure— but it did.  
 

sometimes big boy moments are what you need to wake everyone up.

To add to this, don't underestimate the value of not being forced to send a defense that might have been winded from having been marched down the field upon in the prior touchdown drive. A drive which, iirc, not a single pass was even attempted, it was all pounding run plays. What that fake punt did was give our D some time to recover physically and mentally and regroup. On paper the math says high risk low reward, but there are meaningful considerations at play in that situation beyond what you bring up.

[Mr. Scot]

Rivera did state that he had momentum in mind what's some of the things he did today.

Having now read what Person said about Tepper, I can probably understand that.