is the vaunted ron rivera defense just a silly myth?

[PhillyB]

20 minutes ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

True. But you're only looking at history here at Carolina. Look at his past performance as defensive coordinator before joining Carolina:

2004: 13th

2005: 2nd

2006: 3rd

2008: 15th

2009: 11th

2010: 10th

That's pretty damn good. Before yesterday's game we were #1 in sacks. We're still #3 in Ints & #11 in pass D. Right now, our main concern is run defense.

Fix the run defense = top 5 defense. Problem solved.

The question is how?

if you're tepper you don't give a damn. his alleged defensive prowess is the main things that's kept him afloat and uh

[beastson]

I remember making this exact thread not that long ago. People refuted it saying we've been a top defense under Ron.

Pro-football has different numbers

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm

You can change the year in the URL

2011: 27th

2012: 18th ( I remember 2012, no way we were 10th)

2013: 2nd

2014: 21st ( the same as 2012, no way we were top 10)

2015: 6th

2016: 26th

2017: 11th

2018: 19th

2019: 21st

[PhillyB]

22 minutes ago, beastson said:

I remember making this exact thread not that long ago. People refuted it saying we've been a top defense under Ron.

Pro-football has different numbers

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm

You can change the year in the URL

2011: 27th

2012: 18th ( I remember 2012, no way we were 10th)

2013: 2nd

2014: 21st ( the same as 2012, no way we were top 10)

2015: 6th

2016: 26th

2017: 11th

2018: 19th

2019: 21st

damn, that is much worse. i think overall defense (pulled from NFL.com) is weighted primarily by total yards allowed and points allowed.

[OneBadCat]

Pretty reminiscent of Fox ball bend but  don't break.  But I do think not having KK is hurting us pretty bad right now.  

[The Lobo]

Defense hasn’t been elite since 2013 but was very good in 15. Other than that, pure poop. 

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, PhillyB said:

I just pulled our overall defensive rankings from the Ron Rivera era. In chronological order:

2011: 28th

2012: 10th

2013: 2nd

2014: 10th

2015: 6th

2016: 21st

2017: 7th

2018: 15th

2019: 20th

The following are the rankings for Scoring Defense (i.e. points surrendered) and they're even worse:

2011: 27th

2012: 18th

2013: 2nd

2014: 21st

2015: 6th

2016: 26th

2017: 11th

2018: 19th

2019: 21st

Source: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/opp.htm

 

[Moo Daeng]

Poor performing defense is one very valid criticism of Rivera that gets lost.

[Zaximus]

2 hours ago, GreensboroPirate said:

Lovie Smith called most of the plays on defense for those Bears defenses, not Ron Rivera.  Rivera was more of a glorified assistant to Lovie.

When he was forced to actually call plays on gameday with the Chargers, he floundered

 

I'm not a Rivera fan but I'm pretty sure he had a #1 defense with the Chargers as well, running a 3-4.    He had a #1 defense in Chicago with a 4-3.      He's probably a great coordinator but he can't handle calling a football game.