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Bucs release 2016 1st round pick Vernon Hargreaves

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kungfoodude Grand Master

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13 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Even if Brees had sholder surgery, so what? he was young and had put up pretty solid to impressive numbers Rivers rookie year. I wasn't privy to the medical report on the shoulder injury but at the time it wasn't pushing 40 Drew Brees, it was young, almost certainly likely to fully recover from said injury Drew Brees, and in any event, Brees played and played very well Rivers rookie year. Releasing him for no compensation after that just isn't a very defensible move imo.

The key point is the GM went out of his way to draft Rivers when he had a perfectly capable qb already on his roster. Any injury couldn't reasonably be expected at that point to be career ending or destroying, the primary motivation for giving up on Brees was he wasn't the GM's guy.

O brien also a good example and probably easier for most people to relate to given it's recent nature.

No, it really was considered career threatening. Very much so and not just by the Chargers.

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Actually the league had largely viewed him as a mild bust, especially after his 2005 drop off. He was not a terribly impressive QB in San Diego. And his shoulder injury was considered so serious that most of the league would not touch him. It was not a normal shoulder injury and was pretty serious. 

Plus, Rivers got drafted in 2004. That was directly a result of Brees extremely poor play prior to that 2004 season. It wasn't until Rivers was drafted that Brees got motivated to turn his career around, and then he had that traumatic injury. That's why the Chargers moved on and it was pretty widely viewed as a sound decision at the time. 

Edit: Seriously, Google that injury. You will see why people didn't want to sign him. Sean Peyton made a big gamble and it paid off in the biggest way.

Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention since it was actually an AFC team on the west coast, I just remember Brees playing quite well Rivers rookie year and then getting released for nothing. Like I said I wasn't pouring over the medical reports on the injury so if you say it was considered unusually severe and risky I'll accept that, I am still skeptical of the notion it might have been the primary determinant, but regardless the obrien situation you brought up is a better illustration of the kind of thing we're talking about anyway, so if I'm wrong, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

*whistles innocently*

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

No, it really was considered career threatening. Very much so and not just by the Chargers.

If it wasn’t considered that, I wouldn’t have had to put up with Saban at Alabama for over a decade now. The medical staff in Miami wouldn’t clear him. 

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Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention since it was actually an AFC team on the west coast, I just remember Brees playing quite well Rivers rookie year and then getting released for nothing. Like I said I wasn't pouring over the medical reports on the injury so if you say it was considered unusually severe and risky I'll accept that, I am still skeptical of the notion it might have been the primary determinant, but regardless the obrien situation you brought up is a better illustration of the kind of thing we're talking about anyway, so if I'm wrong, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

*whistles innocently*

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_219d31cc-59ef-5a02-abb0-586ba85dee68.html

Here you go. Read the description of that injury. 

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/article_219d31cc-59ef-5a02-abb0-586ba85dee68.html

Here you go. Read the description of that injury. 

Good article, thanks for setting me straight. I only recalled the young qb has injury dumped by GM for guy the GM drafted without being given a chance to prove he could overcome version, but as you say there was more to it than that. I've never been wrong about anything before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

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1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Good article, thanks for setting me straight. I only recalled the young qb has injury dumped by GM for guy the GM drafted without being given a chance to prove he could overcome version, but as you say there was more to it than that. I've never been wrong about anything before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

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Well it was 15 fuging years ago, so memories aren't the best for events that didn't have a direct relationship to your own team. I was in college during the Philip Rivers years, so I remember that whole saga pretty well. 

It was pretty much view as a very non-controversial move by the Chargers. It was a big gamble that paid off in a huge, huge way for the Saints, Sean Payton and Brees. 

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6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The Bengals and Browns have rarely built good teams, the Chargers have relatively often. 

I don't think you'd get a lot of pushback if you said that the Spanos family are terrible owners.

(sure as hell wouldn't get any from anyone that lives in San Diego)

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