Changing the coaching and GM philosophy

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

All the highest quality head coaching candidates will be pursued the moment they can by all teams pushing for a new HC.

Other than the Panthers.

Because first we will have to pursue a new GM, then a Head Coach.  So by the time we get a GM hired, all the "top tier" HC candidates that most people are after will be picked.  We will get the run of the guys passed over.

Thats how I see it at least.  If we pursue both in the off season we will have to hope a high quality head coach candidate got passed over by other teams also looking for a HC. 

Not sure how this will go down---I sense Tepper is going be hands on.

[MHS831]

32 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jared Goff	Rams	$36,042,682	$31,042,682
Matt Ryan	Falcons	$33,550,000	$20,500,000
Ben Roethlisberger	Steelers	$33,500,000	$21,000,000
Aaron Rodgers	Packers	$32,600,000	$21,100,000
Matt Stafford	Lions	$31,500,000	$21,500,000
Kirk Cousins	Vikings	$31,000,000	$30,000,000
Russell Wilson	Seahawks	$31,000,000	$18,000,000
Jimmy Garoppolo	49ers	$26,600,000	$25,200,000
Joe Flacco	Broncos	$23,650,000	$20,250,000
Nick Foles	Jaguars	$21,875,000	$15,875,000
Jacoby Brissett	Colts	$21,500,000	$15,000,000
Derek Carr	Raiders	$21,500,000	$19,000,000
Alex Smith	Redskins	$21,400,000	$16,000,000
Cam Newton	Panthers	$21,100,000	$19,100,000

Lotta mediocrity getting paid---note the lack of Brady.  

[trueblade]

3 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Is 6-4 “thriving”, meanwhile 5-5 sucks or something? We had identical records before this past week. We beat all three of their division opponents so I’m sure we could thrive in that terrible division as well. Their only good win was against Kansas City, and that was on the back of their defense, not their offense. They just recently lost to the 2-8 Dolphins, putting up 12 points. Not a great testament to their offensive-minded head coach with a stud OL. Yeah we just got destroyed by the 3-7 Falcons but they’re clearly in the midst of some torrential resurgence, having just whooped one of the NFC favorites Saints. Plus that was a divisional game which are always tougher...the Colts lost to Miami lol.

I’m not saying we’re better than the Colts, but I’m not sure how you can prop them up and praise their coach, offensive philosophies, etc. as a model for us to emulate, while our seasons have almost eerily followed the same trajectory.
 

Good points all around. 

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Lotta mediocrity getting paid---note the lack of Brady.  

He is not under contract for 2020.

[trueblade]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Same thing as with Cam though, you know he can't do that forever.

I'm going to be watching how they coach him in the years to come. If they just exploit his ability like we did Newton, eventually it'll be unsustainable.

Jackson strikes me as more of a slasher like Vick was while Newton is more of a power back. Heck, Newton was our short yardage back for a while. You take some monster hits on those kind of plays. Jackson's style should open him up to less big hits and give him some additional longevity. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Hey.  I am just trying to keep things accurate.

I think its completely reasonable that Newton would not expect a 40m/year contract.

Maybe not 40, but there's no way I see him or his agent accepting less than 30 million when guys like Kirk Cousins, Matt Stafford and Jared frigging Goff are making over that.

Remember last contract his one condition was to be paid more than Matt Ryan, and now Ryan is way up there.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

Hey.  I am just trying to keep things accurate.

I think its completely reasonable that Newton would not expect a 40m/year contract.

I think an incentive laden contract that would pay Cam elite money if he stays healthy and performs while financially protecting the team if he doesn't could potentially make sense for both parties.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Jackson strikes me as more of a slasher like Vick was while Newton is more of a power back. Heck, Newton was our short yardage back for a while. You take some monster hits on those kind of plays. Jackson's style should open him up to less big hits and give him some additional longevity. 

Correct. Jackson does an amazing job of avoiding contact.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think an incentive laden contract that would pay Cam elite money if he stays healthy and performs while financially protecting the team if he doesn't could potentially make sense for both parties.

Would his agent or his people agree on that, though? That's kind of a big question.

Per our friend CB Dellinger, Newton's people have been trying to get an extension since 2017 but the Panthers have refused. At this point, indications are there's no chance he plays without one (consistent with what we've heard from Igo and Roaring Riot, just a different angle).

And to be fair, if I were over 30 and looking for my last big contract, I don't know that I'd want something incentive laden either.

[SmokinwithWilly]

 

 

20 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

Lots of ways to win football games. I just want a group of organizational decision makers that are adaptable to both playing to the strengths of your roster and to the changes happening within the league as it evolves.

And personally I love defense, but in today's NFL, I think you're better served having a heavier focus on the other side of the ball.

Agreed about defense. 

What you said about the rule shift is correct. I think we need a coach/gm tat makes offense a priority. The NFL has basically said it's all about the offense now so might as well go with it.

I really think our next coach needs to have an ability to see the trends and adjust accordingly, is able to put players in the beat position to succeed, and someone that has the ability to evaluate players quickly. The other thing we really need to focus on is development of young players while they're cheap. 

As we've seen, 2 or 3 guys can do a lot, but they cant do it all. Cam damn near could by himself but that's not realistic long term. Our new coach needs to be able to get the most out of players, or put them in a position to be better than they are by tailoring the scheme around them. Put a round peg in a round hole for once.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think an incentive laden contract that would pay Cam elite money if he stays healthy and performs while financially protecting the team if he doesn't could potentially make sense for both parties.

Fun fact, of our top ten contracts currently(based on avg/year) only three players have a LOWER percentage of guaranteed money than Cam's contract.

I honestly think people are pushing a narrative trying to paint Cam as unreasonable financially when that has not really been the case. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Would his agent or his people agree on that, though? That's kind of a big question.

Per our friend CB Dellinger, Newton's people have been trying to get an extension since 2017 but the Panthers have refused. At this point, indications are there's no chance he plays without one (consistent with what we've heard from Igo and Roaring Riot, just a different angle).

That's why I said potentially. I just can't see anyone giving Cam huge guaranteed money considering his recent injury history. I think he's likely looking at an incentive heavy contract anywhere he goes.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

 

 

Agreed about defense. 

What you said about the rule shift is correct. I think we need a coach/gm tat makes offense a priority. The NFL has basically said it's all about the offense now so might as well go with it.

I really think our next coach needs to have an ability to see the trends and adjust accordingly, is able to put players in the beat position to succeed, and someone that has the ability to evaluate players quickly. The other thing we really need to focus on is development of young players while they're cheap. 

As we've seen, 2 or 3 guys can do a lot, but they cant do it all. Cam damn near could by himself but that's not realistic long term. Our new coach needs to be able to get the most out of players, or put them in a position to be better than they are by tailoring the scheme around them. Put a round peg in a round hole for once.

Agreed. The NFL wants high scoring games and they'll keep skewing the rules toward offense because high scoring games get better TV ratings. It's really that simple.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Would his agent or his people agree on that, though? That's kind of a big question.

Per our friend CB Dellinger, Newton's people have been trying to get an extension since 2017 but the Panthers have refused. At this point, indications are there's no chance he plays without one (consistent with what we've heard from Igo and Roaring Riot, just a different angle).

And to be fair, if I were over 30 and looking for my last big contract, I don't know that I'd want something incentive laden either.

We also don't know if any of that is true, just posturing or leaked for the specific intents. We will see if it turns out to be the case or not. I wouldn't blame him if he did want a new contract and I wouldn't blame him if he decided to take one last crack with the current contract to maximize his potential earnings.