How long could you handle...

[LinvilleGorge]

Cutting Cam and retaining Rivera and Hurney to oversee a complete rebuild would probably make me throw in the towel as a Panthers fan. 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Outside of rainbows, puppy dogs and plain old wishful thinking, your avid sports fans realizes that.  Yes, one in a while a new coaching staff comes in and sets the League ablaze.  So to your point, it sounds like he's addressing the fair weather fans.

I would assume that the people that spend the most money on the Panthers (PSL owners) understand that we have been dog poo for a while, and understand that we need new leadership in place to even possibly be good at some point in the future.

It's not rocket science.

 

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Relative success?  We have had 7 winning seasons in our entire history.  7.

 

And .500 for the franchises existence.  Yes mediocre, but many of the League's franchises have failed at even being mediocre.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Cutting Cam and retaining Rivera and Hurney to oversee a complete rebuild would probably make me throw in the towel as a Panthers fan. 

I didn't mention specific triggers but that's probably a good question to ask.

[thefuzz]

Just now, 45catfan said:

And .500 for the franchises existence.  Yes mediocre, but many of the League's franchises have failed at even being mediocre.

That's still not relative success, and certainly nothing that us, as fans, should be proud about.

 

[Mr. Scot]

I've seen a few people talk recently about how the majority of the franchises in the league are mediocre as well, so comparatively speaking we're not necessarily that bad.

I'll grant that's valid, but I don't really wanna be like those teams.

I want us to adopt the commercial slogan that just okay is not okay.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've seen a few people talk recently about how the majority of the franchises in the league are mediocre as well, so comparatively speaking we're not necessarily that bad.

I'll grant that's valid, but I don't really wanna be like those teams.

The NFL makes it hard to be good, but easy to make money.  Maybe most of the owners care about something other than winning?

 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

That's still not relative success, and certainly nothing that us, as fans, should be proud about.

 

So your saying that the Browns, Lions, Jets, Cardinals, Bengals, Chargers, Bills, Jags, Texans etc... should stop being fans of those clubs and jump on the Pats bandwagon since they have been the gold standard of "better than mediocre?"  Look I'm not saying us fans should settle for an average organization, but it sure doesn't mean just desert the team either.  That's unless you just want to be associated with a winner. I know the type, that's THE definition of a bandwagon fan.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

So your saying that the Browns, Lions, Jets, Cardinals, Bengals, Chargers, Bills, Jags, Texans etc... should stop being fans of those clubs and jump on the Pats bandwagon since they have been the gold standard of "better than mediocre?"  Look I'm not saying us fans should settle for an average organization, but it sure doesn't mean just desert the team either.  That's unless you just want to be associated with a winner. I know the type, that's THE definition of a bandwagon fan.

I wouldn't abandon the Panthers for another organization, I'd just go back to being a general NFL fan watching good matchups and rooting more for favorite players more so than teams, just like I did prior to the Panthers drafting Peppers.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

The NFL makes it hard to be good, but easy to make money.  Maybe most of the owners care about something other than winning?

I always have a hard time accepting that argument because you make more money by winning.

Granted, you can still make good money without it, but not as much.

And for whatever else you think of Tepper, his whole "what I care most about is winning" thing is something I believe to be the truth. He's too competitive for it not to be.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Yep, create a consistent winner and then talk about shafting the tax payers with a new stadium.  Very premature on his part and right now extremely unpalatable. 

He's getting the headquarters though.

Frankly, the more I read about that, the more I think "Tepper World" is going to be built to outdo Jerry World.

[45catfan]

On the flip side, we've had only a few seasons of less that 7 wins in 25 years.  Nothing to really toot your horn over, but again, there are fan bases that deal with much worse.

[KillerKat]

I'd be ok if he is at least trying to make changes. Sticking with someone for too long is idiotic. If Rivera is here another year, I'm taking the year off like I did in 2010 when Fox still stuck around.

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

So your saying that the Browns, Lions, Jets, Cardinals, Bengals, Chargers, Bills, Jags, Texans etc... should stop being fans of those clubs and jump on the Pats bandwagon since they have been the gold standard of "better than mediocre?"  Look I'm not saying us fans should settle for an average organization, but it sure doesn't mean just desert the team either.  That's unless you just want to be associated with a winner. I know the type, that's THE definition of a bandwagon fan.

No, I'm telling those fanbases to stop going to the games.  Stop spending money on the teams.  Stop allowing the owners of those organizations to continue their decades of mismanagement and foolish decisions.

Watch the game, root for your team, but make sure that the owner is feeling the heat vs. being able to sit back and look at a fully packed out stadium with a 3-9 record on the year with no chance at winning your division.

Like I said, winning is hard, but making money is easy in the NFL....make it harder to do so until the ownership repays the favor by putting good leadership together, spending the money, and making the tough choices that lead to winning teams.

Don't think it's a lot to ask, and no thank you, I won't be switching teams.