Relative intelligence

[Monty83]

This post is spot on and highlights the primary issue for me. People want to talk about Belichick being the best. It’s really just as simple as he’s smarter than everyone else. By alot. He doesn’t need a ridiculous amount of personnel to be successful. He keeps the one or two crucial pieces and gameplans everything else. 
 

Rivera isn’t a football genius because he cannot successfully tinker and adjust his planning and have success. He’s smart enough to know he needs to, but not smart enough to do it. He also does it in a reactive, not proactive fashion, so smarter coaches are able to predict his adjustments.

He has no clue what to do on offense, and cannot effectively build depth on defense. He needs names to excel. We run plays that don’t work to set up plays that will. Smarter coaches are able to run plays that almost always work to set up more plays that will. There is also an inherent fear of risk in compound production (by that I mean taking the opportunity to execute over and over again repeatedly) with less smart coaches. Guys like Payton and Belchick look forward to the opportunity to kill you doing the same thing over and over. Less smart ones tend to play the clock, while missing the fact they create more risk by keeping the games shorter and closer. You not only force your opponent to execute at a higher level, you force your own team to do it as well. Guess who typically wins those? The team with the smart coach who isn’t afraid to execute over and over. It’s very much the chess vs. checkers. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Gladniator1 said:

I agree with your analysis.  I call it the "metagame".  The level of strategy above the X's and O's.  Rivera just doesn't get it.  Case in point?  We have one of the best TE's in the history of football with a knack for getting first downs.  We "forgot" that now that we have a new and shiny.  The metagame would be to utilize other options early to take advantage of teams concentrating on CMC.  Then, when they have to be more honest you unleash the new and shiny.  But not us.  They know we are going with CMC and we still do it.  You have to be completely unpredictable in this league now and spread the ball out.  Yes, it's great to have superstars, but if you can't do anything (or call anything) with the others, teams can focus on the superstar.  We did do that a bit today (Moore had a good game), but I still think the overarching metagame concept is beyond Rivera...

Also, if you are going to keep a TE on the team for blocking only you might as well take an O-lineman and call him a TE.  So we will have 6 offensive lineman with 1 of them (wink wink) being called a TE.  When your TE can't block and that's all he's there for, there is no point whatsoever for him to be on your team.

There's definitely a "next level" element to it.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

Rivera got passed over how many times?

Nope.  They aren't.  

Rivera was everyone's Rooney Rule patsy for awhile.

[BurnHurnBurn]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Rivera was everyone's Rooney Rule patsy for awhile.

Ooooorrr???

[Khyber53]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Other teams don't get injuries?

It's not just this season. This is been the way it is every season this braintrust has been together.

They're just a lousy combination.

Yadda yadda. No one here has ever convinced you to change your mind here. I'm tired of trying. Enjoy the games or enjoy your misery, it's up to you.

 

[1of10Charnatives]

11 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

It is funny to hear members of the Huddle talk about intelligence.

To be honest, I have and do frequent a variety of different kinds of forums, and while the Huddle isn't some shinning beacon of brilliance, it's better than quite a few and there are FAR worse places out there.  .

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Rivera was everyone's Rooney Rule patsy for awhile.

Remember the guy at that first press conference?

Why didn't we get that guy?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

Yadda yadda. No one here has ever convinced you to change your mind here. I'm tired of trying. Enjoy the games or enjoy your misery, it's up to you.

You want to keep 'em for another year?

I already asked that question in another thread. You responded in it.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

To be honest, I have and do frequent a variety of different kinds of forums, and while the Huddle isn't some shinning beacon of brilliance, but it's better than quite a few and there are FAR worse places out there.  .

So you're saying this forum is relatively intelligent? 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Rivera is the issue, doesn’t matter the gm his poor coaching, poor coaching choices, deciding who gets playing time, ect will lead to failure. 

I’m watching this season go to waste mainly due to coaching issues, not anything directly related to what a gm is responsible for 
 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So you're saying this forum is relatively intelligent? 

i'm saying h sapiens definitely has standard deviations of intelligence overall, and imo on the internet those standard deviations tend to be tighter. This place is no more than one standard deviation from the mean in either direction, is what I'm saying.

[GoPanthers123]

There is no disagreement from me.  Ron is about average, maybe 14th of 32 active coaches.  Compared to top 5 he is obviously disadvantaged, compared to bottom 5 he looks good.

[Mr. Scot]

35 minutes ago, Monty83 said:

This post is spot on and highlights the primary issue for me. People want to talk about Belichick being the best. It’s really just as simple as he’s smarter than everyone else. By alot. He doesn’t need a ridiculous amount of personnel to be successful. He keeps the one or two crucial pieces and gameplans everything else.

Rivera isn’t a football genius because he cannot successfully tinker and adjust his planning and have success. He’s smart enough to know he needs to, but not smart enough to do it. He also does it in a reactive, not proactive fashion, so smarter coaches are able to predict his adjustments.

He has no clue what to do on offense, and cannot effectively build depth on defense. He needs names to excel. We run plays that don’t work to set up plays that will. Smarter coaches are able to run plays that almost always work to set up more plays that will. There is also an inherent fear of risk in compound production (by that I mean taking the opportunity to execute over and over again repeatedly) with less smart coaches. Guys like Payton and Belchick look forward to the opportunity to kill you doing the same thing over and over. Less smart ones tend to play the clock, while missing the fact they create more risk by keeping the games shorter and closer. You not only force your opponent to execute at a higher level, you force your own team to do it as well. Guess who typically wins those? The team with the smart coach who isn’t afraid to execute over and over. It’s very much the chess vs. checkers. 

People talk about Rivera being a "line up with your guys and just beat em" type, and I think that's accurate.

Similarly, Hurney is said to be a "year by year" thinker.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

i'm saying h sapiens definitely has standard deviations of intelligence overall, and imo on the internet those standard deviations tend to be tighter. This place is no more than one standard deviation from the mean in either direction, is what I'm saying.

I was told there would be no math...