Gaulden gone

[Car123]

7 minutes ago, Toomers said:

5 drafts

3 All Pro OL and Moton

All-Pro DT and Star

Shaq and Bradberry- we will see there value real soon. 
 
OH......CMC 

Even KB was a 1,000 Yd. WR when healthy and brought a 3rd. 
 

How about you post Hurneys last 5 drafts and see how it compares. 

5 drafts -> 6-8 good players. And some wonder why we have no depth at some positions.

[SmartyHurney]

Just now, Toomers said:

Ok. I guess I need to do this again. 
 

  So if I’m a pure Gettleman homer, like you are for Hurney, I would never say anything bad about Gettleman or good about Hurney? Right? So how can I pull numerous posts and threads where I do just that? You ready? Because I expect someone accusing someone else of complete bias to have some proof of these statements. 
 

   Put your money where your mouth is. I got mine ready. How about you? This is the part where you bring some data or go the hell away. As usual. 

This is going to be a fun time when Hurney is still in the league and Gettleman is officially retired after turning the Giants into one of the worst rosters in the league.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

SMH, don’t remind me. I was unsure about Donte more so because I didn’t know anything about him. Gaulden was awful right from the start. Worst athlete at DB at the combine. I would have traded up to get Justin Reid (85 and 88 would have gotten it done) or sat tight and took Harrison.

I just laugh when people say we took an athlete and tried to find a position when he was the worst DB athlete at the combine. We took a way under average NFL athlete and tried to make it work. His ten cent head shown at Tennessee showed up to help us lose. I still have no idea how he got lucky enough to get an offsetting penalty on that stupid push after the whistle.

Kind of plays into my theory that Hurney/Rivera is essentially Rivera.

I mean, who is it we know that doesn't really care about having athletic safeties?

[ColumbusCounty]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Some years back, I heard a long time personnel guy talk about how much he despised when coaches got involved in draft evaluation.

Coaches, he said, had a terrible tendency to fall in love with a certain player off of a couple of highlights rather than looking at the big picture.

I just remember his first press conference, and he mentioned Hoke about a half dozen times. I do tend to agree with what that personnel guy said. 

It also makes me wonder just how much of a role our own scouting department plays in our draft process.  Late picks and UDFA's?? Would make sense seeing how they are broken down in subgroubs..i.e.. regional scouts.

This year's draft for instance..

1.) Burns (Hurney pick)

2.) Little (Hurney pick)

3.) Grier (Turner influenced)

4.) Miller (Scouting Dept??)

5.)Scarlett (Scouting Dept??)

6.) Daley ( I'd bet Wharton influenced / Scouting Dept )

UDFA's (Scouting Dept...although we didn't have many since we picked up alot of players from that league that lasted a half season (I forget the name).

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Why do you always come to the rescue when somebody doesn't say something nice about Gettleman? It's like you have google alerts or something of that nature.

  I could ask you the same thing. Only difference.  is, I discuss many different topics. All yours point to one thing. 
 

  And it is usually to dispute a Hurney fairy tale like yesterday when you gave Josh Norman abilities to create an alternate universe and solve every problem a team could have. Would you like to explain that BS again? 
 

   So if you would quit making poo up, I wouldn’t say a word. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Williams is awful,  Shaq is average and will be overpaid. KB is a bust that got a lil attention from garbage time stats.

Williams wasn't awful before his injury. Shaq is playing well in this travesty of a defense Ron has created. Even Luke looks like a shell of his former self trying to play this gap control defense. KB isn't quite as easy to call a bust. He was doing well his rookie season. ACL injury followed by a traumatic personal loss and he spiraled. I'm not saying he would have been all pro, or even made a pro bowl, I'm just saying it's hard to predict how people will respond. When my mother in law passed, my father in law was living in grief for almost 3 years until he passed as well. He couldn't function in normal society. Grief hits people different ways and can last a long time. KB had a lot of potential, and he showed it, he was just never the same after those 2 things happened. 

[Car123]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  I could ask you the same thing. Only difference.  is, I discuss many different topics. All yours point to one thing. 
 

  And it is usually to dispute a Hurney fairy tale like yesterday when you gave Josh Norman abilities to create an alternate universe and solve every problem a team could have. Would you like to explain that BS again? 
 

   So if you would quit making poo up, I wouldn’t say a word. 

Lies.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, ColumbusCounty said:

I just remember his first press conference, and he mentioned Hoke about a half dozen times. I do tend to agree with what that personnel guy said. 

It also makes me wonder just how much of a role our own scouting department plays in our draft process.  Late picks and UDFA's?? Would make sense seeing how they are broken down in subgroubs..i.e.. regional scouts.

This year's draft for instance..

1.) Burns (Hurney pick)

2.) Little (Hurney pick)

3.) Grier (Turner influenced)

4.) Miller (Scouting Dept??)

5.)Scarlett (Scouting Dept??)

6.) Daley ( I'd bet Wharton influenced / Scouting Dept )

UDFA's (Scouting Dept...although we didn't have many since we picked up alot of players from that league that lasted a half season (I forget the name).

It won't surprise me if that whole department gets reorganized.

I mean heck, our Director of Pro Personnel - i.e. the department that analyzes guys like Matt Paradis - is Jerry Richardson's grandson.

(though I'm sure that had nothing to do with his getting promoted to that job) 

[ColumbusCounty]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It won't surprise me if that whole department gets reorganized.

I mean heck, our Director of Pro Personnel - i.e. the department that analyzes guys like Matt Paradis - is Jerry Richardson's grandson.

(though I'm sure that had nothing to do with his getting promoted to that job) 

A Richardson is still involved with the org...lol wow. That must have been a stipulation along with the statue. 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

A lot of those players aren't on the team anymore, and more won't be by next season.

And what does that have to do with if they were good picks or not? That’s not what you said. 

 

10 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Williams is awful,  Shaq is average and will be overpaid. KB is a bust that got a lil attention from garbage time stats.

  After injuries. Was he a 4th round pick who had an all pro season? Yep. Helluva lot better than an Amini. Or nothing.  
 

   KB also an injury, was producing. Better than anyone else. And had value when he left. Unlike most Hurney picks. 
 

   Shaq will get paid. That’s what matters. Everette Brown won’t. 

[Anybodyhome]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Most successful teams take system fit pretty seriously in their drafting process. I'm not so sure we do.

I thought that was common knowledge. After all, the only thing we hear around draft season is "BPA." If this were truly a "BPA" team, Rivera would be changing the system to optimize the player's talents, much like Andy Reid has evolved with the Chiefs. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, stbugs said:

Could be true and might be the reason we did better with Gettleman who didn’t get railroaded regardless if he wasn’t a great GM. Doesn’t make Marty any better. We need someone who knows his poo and can help improve the team.

We’ve always won when we had talent that played well. I’ve never felt like Ron ever out coached opponents. That’s why our good in division opponents can be 12-2 against us the past 4 years. Even perennial cellar dwellers Tampa is 4-4 against us the past 4 years.

I'd agree it doesn't make Marty any better.

But yeah, Gettleman obviously wasn't shy about telling Ron when he was full of sh-t. I don't know that Hurney's got a strong enough personality to win those kind of debates.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

And what does that have to do with if they were good picks or not? That’s not what you said. 

 

  After injuries. Was he a 4th round pick who had an all pro season? Yep. Helluva lot better than an Amini. Or nothing.  
 

   KB also an injury, was producing. Better than anyone else. And had value when he left. Unlike most Hurney picks. 
 

   Shaq will get paid. That’s what matters. Everette Brown won’t. 

Williams being all-pro is equivalent to Tolbert being all-pro. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Anybodyhome said:

I thought that was common knowledge. After all, the only thing we hear around draft season is "BPA." If this were truly a "BPA" team, Rivera would be changing the system to optimize the player's talents, much like Andy Reid has evolved with the Chiefs. 

Valid, but ask yourself, do you really want to see Ron Rivera trying to do that?