Revisiting the "shakeup" talk

[Cdw]

3 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Did you notice it stated there was uncertainty about Ron and Cam... not Marty. 
 

There are rumors going around that Tepper actually likes Marty and could keep him while letting everyone else go.

Maybe there is no uncertainty about Marty because he is without a doubt a goner.  We can only hope

[parker]

I like Ron.  I have since he came here.  But we can't execute on Offense, we can't stop anyone on defense and special teams is hit or miss.  There isn't on aspect of this team that is solid.  That accountability has to start at the top.  I just get this feeling it is time to make a change.

[CanadianCat]

9 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

I want a good head coach regardless of their background. Some of the best offenses and defenses ever came from head coachesfrom the opposite side.

I agree with this. 

However the more I think about it the more I think that we should go with an Offensive guy.. if only for the aggressiveness on 4th downs. 

I look at how Baltimore is playing to the analytics of going for it on 4th down. I think a defensive minded coach would tend to lean more conservatively. I think the days of field possession battles is behind us... 

[SBiii]

9 hours ago, PghPanther said:

and for Arthur Blank too I suppose...................how's that working out for him?

Arthur Blank can't carry David Tepper's bloomberg keyboard.

Folks just don't understand the colossal level of intellectual horsepower in play with Tepper -- he's Secretariat...

...Blank is a pygmy pony.

[PghPanther]

13 hours ago, SBiii said:

Arthur Blank can't carry David Tepper's bloomberg keyboard.

Folks just don't understand the colossal level of intellectual horsepower in play with Tepper -- he's Secretariat...

...Blank is a pygmy pony.

While I won't defend Black's intellectual capacity and/or lack of it.......... I will tell you that intellectual horsepower is left to the quantum physics and other STEM professionals..............hedge fund managers are trend/risk identifiers with programmed algorithm trading skill sets which doesn't require Secretariat level intelligence and it also doesn't necessarily translate to other fields.

Perhaps the most brilliant mind perhaps in all of human history might have been Isaac Newton (even Einstein claimed it)........Yet Newton was scammed out of his family fortune in an East India trade bubble scam and believe in alchemy...........Intelligence doesn't necessary assure you of avoiding foolish mistakes and/or translating that ability to other endeavors.........

You are making the mistake of too strong a correlation of intelligence with revenue in the business world...yes there is a correlation but as the intellectual level increases it begins to create diminishing returns to that correlation..

As investor guru Peter Lynch once said...."It is not a question of whether someone is intelligent enough to generate wealth in the market place as much as do they have the stomach to tolerate the risk".

Tepper has brains no doubt.......but his balls made the moves that resulted in his wealth.............he even decorated his office with brass ones to demonstrate that.

I don't buy that he's an intellectual Secretariat....................Alan Guth?.....perhaps..............but not Tepper.

 

[SBiii]

On 11/27/2019 at 8:00 AM, PghPanther said:

While I won't defend Black's intellectual capacity and/or lack of it.......... I will tell you that intellectual horsepower is left to the quantum physics and other STEM professionals..............hedge fund managers are trend/risk identifiers with programmed algorithm trading skill sets which doesn't require Secretariat level intelligence and it also doesn't necessarily translate to other fields.

Perhaps the most brilliant mind perhaps in all of human history might have been Isaac Newton (even Einstein claimed it)........Yet Newton was scammed out of his family fortune in an East India trade bubble scam and believe in alchemy...........Intelligence doesn't necessary assure you of avoiding foolish mistakes and/or translating that ability to other endeavors.........

You are making the mistake of too strong a correlation of intelligence with revenue in the business world...yes there is a correlation but as the intellectual level increases it begins to create diminishing returns to that correlation..

As investor guru Peter Lynch once said...."It is not a question of whether someone is intelligent enough to generate wealth in the market place as much as do they have the stomach to tolerate the risk".

Tepper has brains no doubt.......but his balls made the moves that resulted in his wealth.............he even decorated his office with brass ones to demonstrate that.

I don't buy that he's an intellectual Secretariat....................Alan Guth?.....perhaps..............but not Tepper.

 

You are certainly entitled to ur opinion.

That said, you don't understand how Tepper made his money. 

[PantherGuy]

On 11/25/2019 at 5:13 PM, Khyber53 said:

Hedge funds don't succeed by jumping hastily off of one investment into another. They also don't ditch a steady, if unspectacular, investment and then throw money at an unknown or a derivative.

If applied to the coaching/GM side... well, RR/MH may not be tearing up the competition this season, but they are running about middle of the pack. If Tepper was to move, based on business style, it would be for a known/robust candidate with a track record and an achievable vision. There aren't many of those out there right now and the coaching trees that are active have begun to bear poor fruit -- even Belichick's stable has proven lackluster to poor so far. 

Bruce Arians went already. Bill Cowher isn't ever giving up that cushy job. Now Mike Holmgren... that would be the most tempting candidate, but who knows if he wants to go back into it? Otherwise it's a jump to the college level coaching ranks and that jump is a risky one that even Mr. Brass-balls-on-the-desk would be unlikely to make.

And general managers? That might be even harder to find than a head coach, for a good one with good scouting teams and cap watchers.

They absolutely do. Hedge funds routinely take lots of risk. They go bust all the time because of it too. Characterizing Tepper as risk averse because he made his money in hedge funds is a speculative assumption.

[Mr. Scot]

It's one thing to profile hedge fund managers in general, another thing to profile David Tepper specifically.

Tepper has zero concerns about taking chances. The bulk of his fortune was made on risky maneuvers.

People didn't give him those brass balls in recognition of his shy, demure personality 

[Khyber53]

13 hours ago, PantherGuy said:

They absolutely do. Hedge funds routinely take lots of risk. They go bust all the time because of it too. Characterizing Tepper as risk averse because he made his money in hedge funds is a speculative assumption.

The ones who survive and thrive, don't. Real hedge funds are set up for big time investors to offset their market risks. For example, those who lost a lot of money in the market during the crash of 2008 were hopefully covered by hedge funds that were concentrating money outside of the banking and ancillary markets. Those hedge funded individuals were then able to either pull cash back from the hedge funds or stay within them to take advantage of the massive crash in real estate.

But hey, your mileage may vary.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

The ones who survive and thrive, don't. Real hedge funds are set up for big time investors to offset their market risks. For example, those who lost a lot of money in the market during the crash of 2008 were hopefully covered by hedge funds that were concentrating money outside of the banking and ancillary markets. Those hedge funded individuals were then able to either pull cash back from the hedge funds or stay within them to take advantage of the massive crash in real estate.

But hey, your mileage may vary.

Accepting this premise, I think it's fairly safe to say that despite his "brass balls" attitude and outlook, Tepper can still be said to have "survived and thrived".

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Accepting this premise, I think it's fairly safe to say that despite his "brass balls" attitude and outlook, Tepper can still be said to have "survived and thrived".

Very true.

[unicar15]

Rivera (and Cam imo) are both gone. 

Rivera has been horrible for 2 full seasons now and his M.O. has always been defense. Our defense is mediocre with above average talent.

 

The talent is probably the only reason we’re as good as we are. But retrospect losing Star, McD, and KK (injury) has been franchise changing...maybe moreso cumulatively than losing Cam. I realize those moves were Gettlemen but Hurney hasn’t done anything (successfully) to remedy the losses. So as far as I’m concerned he’s probably gone too.

 

We need a new coach. We may need a new QB in the next 2 years. Do we trust Hurney to make the right calls? I’d say maybe...but if you make that decision then you’re probably tied to him for 5-6 years afterward at least.

[SBiii]

14 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

The ones who survive and thrive, don't. Real hedge funds are set up for big time investors to offset their market risks. For example, those who lost a lot of money in the market during the crash of 2008 were hopefully covered by hedge funds that were concentrating money outside of the banking and ancillary markets. Those hedge funded individuals were then able to either pull cash back from the hedge funds or stay within them to take advantage of the massive crash in real estate.

But hey, your mileage may vary.

Darn funny stuff there

Good onya mate!

[uncfan888]

On 11/28/2019 at 2:42 PM, SBiii said:

You are certainly entitled to ur opinion.

That said, you don't understand how Tepper made his money. 

There's a lot you don't understand. Using a bunch of words doesn't hide that fact