Fire Hurney

[RumHam]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I've watched this game for a long time, and I know that you can't judge rookies, especially lineman in year one. You can make judgments about Haynes, Miller and particularly Carter all your like. Just because they aren't necessarily starting material in year one doesn't mean they'll never be. Moreover, they don't need to be and weren't meant to be starters this year. Bottom line: they're not "garbage," and our roster is probably better because of them, relative to other backups on other rosters, and this isn't an overstatement.

Stop sticking up for hurney. People taken in the first round are meant to be immediate starters barring an aaron rodgers situation. Our number one pick this year hardly sees the field. There is literally no one in this last draft that has seen consistent time this year. Thats poor evaluation and to make things worse, hernia tried to convince everyone that grier was better than murray and little was a top tier tackle. Tepper bought his normal bullshit. Add to overpaying palwalrus and williams and thats just THIS YEAR. YOUR RESULT IS MEDICOCRITY. AGAIN. we are the new tampa under tepper as long as hurney is here.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I didn't call them garbage, but I do think they are backups/role players, not starter material. I assume when you say NFL level talent, you are talking contributors. Celebrating our depth even though we haven't gotten better after injuries makes me think we aren't that deep. You can hold out hope all you like but there chance of 4th and 6th rounders suddenly becoming solid starters is very small. I don't think we have as many solid contributors as you think and that's part of the problem. We've been absolutely trounced by a team that's 2-9 outside of beating the snot out of us and beaten at home by a team that's 2-10 against the field and blown out by 38 points against a top NFL team.

The Hurney promoters think he's assembled a team that's one or two players away and now that Ron's gone they'll flourish. Unless we can "fix" a bunch of our starters and fill in a bunch of gaps, I don't see it after two 6+ game losing streaks in 2 years. 

Our biggest problem this season has been at QB. The O-line has been middling, as well as the defense. QB decisions, lack of accuracy & turnovers have killed us. Like I've said, the biggest  reason the last two seasons have went to pot, is because Cam hasn't been healthy. poo happens though.

I don't consider myself a promoter of Hurney, nor did I promote G-man. I just call it as I see it. What I do promote is giving a GM an an honest opportunity to see the fruits of his labor. Yeah, I know some will rationally connect the eras of Hurney, but I look at them separately. Moreover, I don't think anyone with sense or football knowledge thought that the players, coaches or anyone was going to flourish this week or this season just because Rivera got the boot. That would be naive and unrealistic. As a matter of fact, most had us winning one game at most (if that thread was an indication). 

"Fix" a "bunch" of our starters? No player is perfect, that's why they all practice. We need guys to get healthy, coach up what we have, and put the best  guys into the best position to succeed (which is where I think Rivera faltered at times). Of course an infusion of talent is always the goal; that goes without saying. We aren't bereft of talent, and (like Tepper) I think Hurney knows how to spot it. Does that mean he makes for a good GM? Not necessarily. I'm going to trust whatever Tepper decides. I think Hurney is on a short leash, regardless.

Philly is the one who referred to our roster as "garbage." I was simply saying that in my opinion that's not accurate. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, top dawg said:

I don't consider myself a promoter of Hurney, nor did I promote G-man. I just call it as I see it. What I do promote is giving a GM an an honest opportunity to see the fruits of his labor.

You seriously want to argue that we haven't seen enough of Marty Hurney to judge his performance?

[heel31ok]

5 hours ago, Harbingers said:

I would bitch slap him if I ever saw him face to face. Lucky I’m far enough away.

Yeah,lucky...

[heel31ok]

Hire coaches who can develop players...

[Car123]

6 hours ago, Harbingers said:

I would bitch slap him if I ever saw him face to face. Lucky I’m far enough away.

Talking tough. You'd smile and reach out for a handshake.

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

You seriously want to argue that we haven't seen enough of Marty Hurney to judge his performance?

Just enough to misjudge...per usual

[top dawg]

42 minutes ago, stbugs said:

People keep saying QB is our biggest issue yet we are 13th in scoring offense and 28th in scoring defense. We have a higher YPC against us than any other D and any offensive player except Lamar Jackson. We have given up more sacks than we have gotten and we are #1 in sacks on D.

You guys are highly simplistic in wanting to crucify Allen but somehow ignore the horrific OL and D. The only other team that’s close to us in sacks given up and points scored against us is Miami. Yep, if only Allen was better. SMH.

The talent on this team right now isn’t better than it was under Gettleman as far as I can tell because the results are really bad. Maybe it’s all coaching but I don’t think the talent Marty 2.0 has given us is close to what you think. Everyone knew we were taking Moore and Burns and I think we got lucky they both lasted. It’s after those guys that’s been really suspect. Still young but I don’t think it’s full of as many real contributors as you think. Not garbage but not nearly enough considering we had extra third rounders in both drafts. We wasted one on Gaulden and wasted one on an unnecessary trade up and likely wasted one on a guy who can’t beat out the guy you think was the entire 2019 problem.

Every GM misses. It's just the nature of the business. The we-got-lucky-they-were-still-there argument is simplistic. Let's not give the GM credit by any means necessary. Moreover, if you'd can't tell that the talent level is better, it's because your don't want to. The main reason we have sucked the last two years is because Cam was hurt. Anybody can easily see that. 

Our O-line is almost ranked dead in the middle of O-lines according to Football Outsiders.  There are a bunch of teams that have given up more sacks than us. If you're trying to suggest to me with a straight face that Allen hasn't been the main issue as to why we are out of contention, then I don't know what games you've been watching.  Moreover, it seems obvious to me that Short's injury early has caused obvious problems against the run, not to mention Poe's injury, as he was having a solid season making an impact also. Injuries in general, have played a large part in the efficiency of both lines, not to mention transitioning to a 3-4.

I think it's being a little disingenuous to make definitive judgments on talent without looking at circumstances, and the bigger picture.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Every GM misses. It's just the nature of the business. The we-got-lucky-they-were-still-there argument is simplistic. Let's not give the GM credit by any means necessary. Moreover, if you'd can't tell that the talent level is better, it's because your don't want to. The main reason we have sucked the last two years is because Cam was hurt. Anybody can easily see that. 

Our O-line is almost ranked dead in the middle of O-lines according to Football Outsiders.  There are a bunch of teams that have given up more sacks than us. If you're trying to suggest to me with a straight face that Allen hasn't been the main issue as to why we are out of contention, then I don't know what games you've been watching.  Moreover, it seems obvious to me that Short's injury early has caused obvious problems against the run, not to mention Poe's injury, as he was having a solid season making an impact also. Injuries in general, have played a large part in the efficiency of both lines, not to mention transitioning to a 3-4.

I think it's being a little disingenuous to make definitive judgments on talent without looking at circumstances, and the bigger picture.

Dude, you're doing some gymnastics that Simone Biles probably couldn't handle.

If you have to go through this much effort to convince people that someone is good, they're not.

It's time to move on.

[Forty-Eight]

Tepper will be the dumbest richest Owner in all professional sports if he keeps Hurney around. Marty Hurney was done a long time ago. Jerry Dumbass Richardson was an old timer who wasn’t thinking right anymore. Brought his stupid ass back to Carolina. FIRE HURNEY!!!!!!! 
 

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[top dawg]

14 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You seriously want to argue that we haven't seen enough of Marty Hurney to judge his performance?

In my opinion, Hurney has done an above average job this second time around. Perfect? No, but a far cry from what was happening when he got fired. That's all I'm focused on: the now. If you guys can't or won't separate the two eras, that's you.

[heel31ok]

3 minutes ago, Forty-Eight said:

Tepper will be the dumbest richest Owner in all professional sports if he keeps Hurney around. Marty Hurney was done a long time ago. Jerry Dumbass Richardson was an old timer who wasn’t thinking right anymore. Brought his stupid ass back to Carolina. FIRE HURNEY!!!!!!! 
 

A legend if he keeps him and succeeds...