Little to IR

[MHS831]

13 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We are utterly depleted in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

Bunch of ways to look at it, but you are correct.  Interior linemen on both sides of the ball. 

 

[45catfan]

41 minutes ago, Palmetto said:

It's going to be difficult getting this defense back on track when you have to keep drafting the same positions on O-line...

Just chalk this 3-4 experiment up to a waste and go back to this team's strength in a 4-3.  IMMEDIATE improvement.  We've invested in Burns, outside of that, most of our core players on defense still are better suited to the 4-3.  I know Luke would be thrilled.  He (and virtually everyone else on defense) has looked like a duck out of water this year.  Please don't retort with the one-year 3-4 rentals; they won't be here next year.

[MHS831]

31 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Because dominants left tackles are always available in FA or made available in trade by their teams. I’m with you bro, let’s go get one. Just point out to Hurney which one you want.

 

Thats available.

 

It is smarter to develop the 22-year old rookies you drafted this year than to keep picking OTs every year.  Coach them up--most first rounders take some time to develop. Little and Daley have the tools--coach them.

 

[PantherPhann89]

38 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Because dominants left tackles are always available in FA or made available in trade by their teams. I’m with you bro, let’s go get one. Just point out to Hurney which one you want.

 

Thats available.

Asinine comments are unnecessary. A dominate LT can be acquired via trade for the right price/draft pick/player. Trades happen all the time in the NFL. Will this happen for us, whose to say. But I'm saying I'd prefer to explore the trade option first.

 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

4 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Asinine comments are unnecessary. A dominate LT can be acquired via trade for the right price/draft pick/player. Trades happen all the time in the NFL. Will this happen for us, whose to say. But I'm saying I'd prefer to explore the trade option first.

 

 

You say asinine. I say skeptical. True, trades happen all the time in the NFL.  Please name for me the last dominant LT who was traded while healthy and productive.

[1of10Charnatives]

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 

It is smarter to develop the 22-year old rookies you drafted this year than to keep picking OTs every year.  Coach them up--most first rounders take some time to develop. Little and Daley have the tools--coach them.

 

Shhhhh

I’m making a point about the availability of dominant LT’s in FA and trade. I’m with you but I’m doing this thing right now.

[LinvilleGorge]

31 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Save this post:

It is too early to give up on Little and/or Daley.  Our OL needs a dominant center more than a T, and it is not even close.

Middle pressure led to a lot of sacks.

I agree that it's too early to give up on them, but on the flipside, if you're part of the new regime and you willing to put all of your eggs in the Little/Daley basket?

I expect us to take an OL early either way. Even if Little and Daley both end up panning out Paradis looks like a bust of a FA signing, Turner's cap hit makes a huge leap and he's looked like a JAG since getting paid anyway, Moton is going into the last year of his contract, and Van Roten and Larsen are career backups IMO. Even if Little and Daley prove to be the real deal, we STILL need OL help.

[Jared Patterson]

Well Paradis is the center. We wont be drafting or acquiring one whether you like it or not. He's getting paid top 3 center money its not happening so quit thinking we are going to get a center. Sign a stud left guard and draft a middle round tackle that can play guard as well and hope Little and Daley can develop. I think if we sign someone like Norwell who will get let go and Paradis gets healthy we can be okay. 

[hepcat]

Greg Little to a dark room for the rest of his life more like it 

[45catfan]

13 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

Well Paradis is the center. We wont be drafting or acquiring one whether you like it or not. He's getting paid top 3 center money its not happening so quit thinking we are going to get a center. Sign a stud left guard and draft a middle round tackle that can play guard as well and hope Little and Daley can develop. I think if we sign someone like Norwell who will get let go and Paradis gets healthy we can be okay. 

That's been the fatal flaw with Hurney; he's taken too many fliers on guys he 'hopes' will pan out or "develop".  Let's get the asterisks out of the way,  *not first rounders.

We better be darn sure our LT is solid for the foreseeable future.  Sure Daley and Little flashed at times, but nothing about either of those guys screams franchise LT to me.  Adequate starters at LT?  Adequate enough to give up a some sacks each game.  If we indeed get a rookie QB, that's the last thing this team needs is an inexperienced green-horn QB all jittery because he's getting plastered to the turf by edge rushers.  

[Jared Patterson]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

That's been the fatal flaw with Hurney; he's taken too many fliers on guys he 'hopes' will pan out or "develop".  Let's get the asterisks out of the way,  *not first rounders.

We better be darn sure our LT is solid for the foreseeable future.  Sure Daley and Little flashed at times, but nothing about either of those guys screams franchise LT to me.  Adequate starters at LT?  Adequate enough to give up a some sacks each game.  If we indeed get a rookie QB, that's the last thing this team needs is an inexperienced green-horn QB all jittery because he's getting plastered to the turf by edge rushers.  

Completely  agree with this. Im just stating with the trade up and upside of our sixth round pick, we unfortunately aren't going to be signing or trading for a LT. Hurney put us in this situation whether it turns out good or bad, but we are stuck with Paradis and Turner for sure starting and Moton. Also with the investments in picks at LT we are likely stuck there, so we better upgrade at LG big time. 

[PantherPhann89]

45 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

You say asinine. I say skeptical. True, trades happen all the time in the NFL.  Please name for me the last dominant LT who was traded while healthy and productive.

Because you call it skeptical doesn't make it any less asinine. You want to debate over something as if it can't happen. Even if it hasn't happened before doesn't mean that it can't happen at all.

Laremy Tunsil  and Jason Peters are pretty good Left Tackles

[1of10Charnatives]

26 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Because you call it skeptical doesn't make it any less asinine. You want to debate over something as if it can't happen. Even if it hasn't happened before doesn't mean that it can't happen at all.

Laremy Tunsil  and Jason Peters are pretty good Left Tackles

Yeah. Lots of things.could happen, but are we talking about things that are realistic possibilities?  Tunsil  is a perfect example. Yes, he was traded, in his prime no less. Do you think the kings ransom it took to acquire him would be worth it for a team as depleted of talent as this one?

Can it be done? Maybe. Would what it would take be remotely worth it? Judging by the Tunsil trade my opinion is no way. Whether you consider that asinine is subjectively up to you, but the definition of asinine isn’t “anyone who disagrees with me”.

[bobowilson]

The Texans had to give up THREE first round picks for Laremy Tunsil, who isn't even an elite left tackle (in fact, he's pretty average)

All the left tackles drafted in the 1st round this year look like busts

Jason Peters was traded more than a decade ago, by a very dysfunctional, cheap, and terrible Buffalo Bills franchise at the time (and it was not yet known how great he would become).

They don't grow on trees, and we have two promising ones we're developing