Tua returning?

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Varking said:

It should come down to when you get the medicals. When do we find out how far along Tua is? If it is around the combine or during that time I could see it not bothering anyone. If we won't get an update on his health until or after the draft I think he would need to return to school. How many are going to want to take a first round risk on him if we aren't sure he is going to be good again. 

He will get full medicals at the combine and that will give teams an idea of his prognosis. Considering he is a QB and the absolute desperation some of these teams are going to have to get a franchise caliber QB(something he has shown the skill to possess) I think you will get more than one team willing to take a risk in the first round, probably multiple teams. It would have to be very bad news on the medicals for most teams to pass and if that is the case, going back to college is probably not going to raise his stock very much. 

[cmichd]

4 hours ago, Shocker said:

I would say his chances of coming out are 100%

Luck went back to school instead of coming to Carolina after his Jr. Year.  The reason we took Cam since he returned to school.

[LinvilleGorge]

Don't forget, Cowboys LB Jaylon Smith was a high 2nd round pick despite tearing up his knee and reportedly having nerve damage that at the time was rumored to bring into serious question his ability to play football moving forward and he would definitely have to sit out a full year before anyone would really know and QB >>>>> LB in importance.

If a badly damaged very talented LB is worth a high 2nd, I can't imaging a badly damaged very talented QB falling out of the 1st unless the medical evaluations are just beyond terrible.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, cmichd said:

Luck went back to school instead of coming to Carolina after his Jr. Year.  The reason we took Cam since he returned to school.

Which, as upset as most were at the time, it absolutely worked in our favor. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, cmichd said:

Luck went back to school instead of coming to Carolina after his Jr. Year.  The reason we took Cam since he returned to school.

Luck was also financially set for life by birthright before he ever signed an NFL contract. Oliver Luck has an estimated $10M net worth. No clue what Tua's family economics look like.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

The optimists May think we are a couple moves away. We aren’t.  

With a healthy Cam, I honestly think we could be. Without... LOL, no. Not unless we get extremely lucky and land the next Mahomes at #7.

[TheSpecialJuan]

good for us 

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Exactly, @45catfan the tanking would be something discussed with the new coach  it would be a strategy of how to get the franchise QB.

Also, tanking is probably still a bad term for a 5-11 team that lost 8 in a row and moves on from Cam. If this was after 2018, I wouldn’t be saying any of this. I’m saying it because if we move on from Cam we do legitimately have a chance to be the worst team in 2020. It’s not a stretch. The optimists May think we are a couple moves away. We aren’t.  

A healthy Cam being here will be the biggest factor in our 2020 success. None of these rookie QB's will be able to help us be as successful as a veteran like Cam. We can be a couple of moves away from being pretty successful with him......without him, it is potentially a pretty bad roster. 

As for the tanking, I know fans love to use that as an idea but it largely doesn't exist in the NFL. You are not easily going to convince a group of coaches(especially newly hired) and a roster of professional football players to intentionally not be competitive. These are some of the most competitive people around, so asking them to lay down and lose is not going to go over well. 

[cmichd]

27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With a healthy Cam, I honestly think we could be. Without... LOL, no. Not unless we get extremely lucky and land the next Mahomes at #7.

Saw a mock we would pick Eason out of Washington in the 2nd round.  Why do we keep picking back ups

 

[Woodie]

57 minutes ago, CRA said:

I was anti-Herbert to begin with...

this just makes me triple down on Herbert and puts him in basically the category I had Clausen in.  Guaranteed NFL bust 

Yeah, he has the physical traits to be a really good one, I just don't think he has the mental makeup to be what he could be.

[BurnHurnBurn]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

But what real benefit does that title offer Tua

Marketing and (NFL)demand increase with prestige alone.

 

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

As far as more time to physically mature.....you mean dedicating 100% of your time to that like you would be able to do in the NFL versus the part-time that you would be doing that in the NCAA? 

Regardless of where (tho admittedly you have a good point) he will still be filling out.  

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Tua has an injury history and his stock is still high(for now, pending medicals). Why in the world would you gamble on that potentially changing with an injury or perhaps not being a top 3 QB prospect anymore(which could easily happen in next year's class)

My position is not without drawbacks.  Its not perfect.  That's why I said "buck the trend".  I.  ME.  MYSELF.  Want to see it.  Now, the next year's class of QBs thing I'm not the one to comment on that.  I have no idea.  So maybe?

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

It just doesn't make sense to take that risk. Those insurance policies will not pay what one rookie contract will.

People make different choices all the time.  Its obviously an option or we wouldn't be discussing it. 

I only know of their existence not the inner workings or payouts of such policies. And now we're splitting hairs on what is life changing money.

[t96]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My luck, if I ever chose to tank for a specific player he'd get Tua'd.

Probably better than getting Luck’d...

[kungfoodude]

39 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

Marketing and (NFL)demand increase with prestige alone.

 

Regardless of where (tho admittedly you have a good point) he will still be filling out.  

My position is not without drawbacks.  Its not perfect.  That's why I said "buck the trend".  I.  ME.  MYSELF.  Want to see it.  Now, the next year's class of QBs thing I'm not the one to comment on that.  I have no idea.  So maybe?

People make different choices all the time.  Its obviously an option or we wouldn't be discussing it. 

I only know of their existence not the inner workings or payouts of such policies. And now we're splitting hairs on what is life changing money.

College success will not drive more marketing demand, NFL success will. Same with NFL demand, the only impact that would have would be his health. The results of a consensus(and this may be debatable at this point) top 10 pick returning to school are typically not the best. It's one less year of an already short average career that you didn't spend adjusting and adapting to the NFL.

The insurance policies for someone like Tua would be in the low seven figure range(typically) and collecting on those policies can be challenging, much like any large insurance claim.  Banking on an insurance policy is a poor substitute for a guaranteed contract that a first round draft pick receives. McCaffery, as a #8 overall pick ended up banking $17,241,304 from his fully guaranteed contract as a #8 overall draft pick. Those figures typically rise each year and with the spot taken. So, again, why would you pass on that kind of opportunity? Even with tax implications that kind of money should allow you to live comfortably for the rest of your life. 

If Tua decides to return, that is his prerogative, but it would not make it any less of a foolish decision.  

[kungfoodude]

51 minutes ago, cmichd said:

Saw a mock we would pick Eason out of Washington in the 2nd round.  Why do we keep picking back ups

 

I would not personally use a 2nd round pick on a QB because we have so many roster needs but taking a QB almost regularly is a wise idea. The percentage of hits, even in the first round, on QB's is fairly low so it takes a lot of shots before you strike gold. Look at the Steelers, who almost continually are taking young QB's to try and groom. Worst case scenario is that you end up with two high caliber QB's and have to make a difficult choice.