We need to be wise with Cam

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Matt62881 said:

Plus our foundation is CMC, Moore, Burns, Cam if retained, and whoever our top 10 pick is this year. It actually sounds fairly competitive right there not to mention some other pieces like KK, Bradberry, Curtis and a few others that are far above average. Like I've said, I've seen far worse teams make a push. We can rebuild or whatever while we at least try and not make my eyes bleed.

Burns is a project.  Dont kid yourself.  He is a one trick pony that is a massive liability against the run.  Maybe he can bulk up and keep speed, I guess we will see.  Curtis is above average?  Come on now. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What exactly is wrong with keeping Cam and rebuilding the oline and dline? We'd likely be doing the same thing regardless if Cam is here or not..it has to happen, and honestly the oline is literally the only issue on the offense. Defense will need a bit more work and I'm sure we'll have an infusion of young players playing on the D next year but so what? If we can put up points it wont matter as much. And we aren't sacrificing anything for the future

What makes you think Newton would want to spend what could be his last few years in the NFL as part of a rebuild?

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

What exactly is wrong with keeping Cam and rebuilding the oline and dline? We'd likely be doing the same thing regardless if Cam is here or not..it has to happen, and honestly the oline is literally the only issue on the offense. Defense will need a bit more work and I'm sure we'll have an infusion of young players playing on the D next year but so what? If we can put up points it wont matter as much. And we aren't sacrificing anything for the future

Offense needs more depth on line and another wr or two.  Then there is the TE issue.

[Matt62881]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Burns is a project.  Dont kid yourself.  He is a one trick pony that is a massive liability against the run.  Maybe he can bulk up and keep speed, I guess we will see.  Curtis is above average?  Come on now. 

Curtis in his position does what he is supposed to, scare the defense out of single high and he makes some pretty nice contested catches in the redzone. KA left a couple hundred yards on the field to Curtis and when Burns was healthy he was in convo for droy.

[catnip]

Cam is a fan favorite and will put fans in the seats . If Cam is traded Tepper will look like a bum .  Build up the trenches this year and see what a healthy Cam can do .  Give Rhule time to look at Allen and Grier . With a better line it will give any QB a better chance to succeed .  If this doesn't work then draft a QB next year .

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

You can take alot of what these guys say with a grain of salt, please tell me what positions we will be missing so much at running a nickel base and maybe you can prove me wrong. I'm fine with being wrong.

You realize that like half of our starters are either hurt, free agents or just retired right? 

[Matt62881]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm sure I could name you half a dozen really good players on the Browns too. Unfortunately, having a few good players doesn't make you a good team.

When a team needs an overhaul, continually trying to win now accomplishes nothing but making the process longer.

Let's say the rebuilding process takes three years. We can start now and three years from now be better. Or we can keep trying to win now for two more years, then finally start the process and we'll all have been waiting five years for something we could have accomplished in just three.

Better to get it going. The sooner you start, the sooner you can finish.

The browns coaching staff is putrid, is ours? Nobody knows and I want to find out sooner then later.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm sure I could name you half a dozen really good players on the Browns too. Unfortunately, having a few good players doesn't make you a good team.

When a team needs an overhaul, continually trying to win now accomplishes nothing but making the process longer.

Let's say the rebuilding process takes three years. We can start now and three years from now be better. Or we can keep trying to win now for two more years, then finally start the process and we'll all have been waiting five years for something we could have accomplished in just three.

Better to get it going. The sooner you start, the sooner you can finish.

Or we can try and win 3 years from now and still not win. Listen I just don't understand it I'm sorry this is the NFL. This isn't Baylor or Temple coming into the NFL as a first time head coach hellbent on having a losing record for the first 2-3 years of your coaching tenure sounds about as horrible of plan as I've seen. What guarantees that the wins will come after 3 years? 5 years? Just doesn't make sense to me.

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You realize that like half of our starters are either hurt, free agents or just retired right? 

Shaq is in for Luke and Ian has excelled when given playing time, most of the hurt guys are in positions I want to draft high and will be healthy next year.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

Curtis in his position does what he is supposed to, scare the defense out of single high and he makes some pretty nice contested catches in the redzone. KA left a couple hundred yards on the field to Curtis and when Burns was healthy he was in convo for droy.

droy?  Holy hell I swear I watched a different team then some of you guys. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I'm fine with being wrong.

That's probably a good thing right now.

We finished the season 5-11, but even that's misleading. I watched every game right up to the end, and I can tell you the team that I saw on the back end of our season was so bad we'd be lucky to win three games at this point.

You can hope for the quick fix all you want. I seriously doubt it's coming.

It'd be wiser to brace for a rough road ahead 

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Or we can try and win 3 years from now and still not win. Listen I just don't understand it I'm sorry this is the NFL. This isn't Baylor or Temple coming into the NFL as a first time head coach hellbent on having a losing record for the first 2-3 years of your coaching tenure sounds about as horrible of plan as I've seen. What guarantees that the wins will come after 3 years? 5 years? Just doesn't make sense to me.

This, we have a few star player NOW and a high draft order. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Or we can try and win 3 years from now and still not win. Listen I just don't understand it I'm sorry this is the NFL. This isn't Baylor or Temple coming into the NFL as a first time head coach hellbent on having a losing record for the first 2-3 years of your coaching tenure sounds about as horrible of plan as I've seen. What guarantees that the wins will come after 3 years? 5 years? Just doesn't make sense to me.

It's not guaranteed.

It's just a smarter path then trying to win right now and postponing the inevitable.

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

droy?  Holy hell I swear I watched a different team then some of you guys. 

He had a 25% pressure rate before getting hurt and several of addison's sacks were directly due to him. He still finished with alot of sacks for a rookie with very limited play time.