We need to be wise with Cam

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

For whatever opinion one may hold in regards to Newton's future with the Panthers. One thing real Panthers fans should be able to come to an understanding on is it would be a travesty to get nothing in return for him at all after what has happened with Kuechly.

This is true, unless we feel we can use him ourselves, I just dont see this long rebuild everyone is taking about. I dont think tepper likes loosing anymore then I do.

[Matt62881]

1 minute ago, OneBadCat said:

Agreed. Cam is a beloved player. He SHOULD be healthy this time around and he's had a lot of time to rest his body. He deserves another shot, and the fans deserve to see that too. Make no mistake, if he goes to another he's going to ball out. 

Cam, Curtis, 2nd round Center, FA LT on a 1 year or 2 year contract, DJ moore, and CMC. That's plenty on offense and doable. On defense D. Brown and a 3rd round run disrupter and that's about all on defense with the resigning of our FAs and maybe Kendall Fuller. Also doable, I just cringe at a long rebuild. 

[Monty83]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the most underrated thing in all of sports continues to be the structure, operations, culture and continuity of the front office/coaching staff. We see the players and simply believe we can plug and play guys, as if they are robots. The forgotten portion is that in successful organizations they aren’t just plugging, they are maximizing the ability of players in particular roles.

The idea that you would handicap that process in any way, especially with a QB who is 30 with an injury history and at best questionable future is laughable UNLESS that is exactly the direction the team wants to go in. QB is without wuestion the most important position, but this also impacts every other player on the field and the coaching staff’s ability to maximize what they want to do with them.

Too many, even with Rivera gone, are in essence asking Tepper and Ruhle to make it work with previous players, previous philosophy, and previous plan. THAT is riskier than any scenario whether we keep Cam or not.

Think of this - let’s say Ruhle kept Cam against his own wishes and poorly uses Cam. Where do you go from there? And that’s in a complete bubble not considering what’s in Cam’s best interest or the org with his payday. I think the worst thing you can do is restrict your coach when you clearly have already invested in him changing everything around.

[Snake]

Cam isn't worth much right now. 

[Matt62881]

3 minutes ago, Monty83 said:

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the most underrated thing in all of sports continues to be the structure, operations, culture and continuity of the front office/coaching staff. We see the players and simply believe we can plug and play guys, as if they are robots. The forgotten portion is that in successful organizations they aren’t just plugging, they are maximizing the ability of players in particular roles.

The idea that you would handicap that process in any way, especially with a QB who is 30 with an injury history and at best questionable future is laughable UNLESS that is exactly the direction the team wants to go in. QB is without wuestion the most important position, but this also impacts every other player on the field and the coaching staff’s ability to maximize what they want to do with them.

Too many, even with Rivera gone, are in essence asking Tepper and Ruhle to make it work with previous players, previous philosophy, and previous plan. THAT is riskier than any scenario whether we keep Cam or not.

Think of this - let’s say Ruhle kept Cam against his own wishes and poorly uses Cam. Where do you go from there? And that’s in a complete bubble not considering what’s in Cam’s best interest or the org with his payday. I think the worst thing you can do is restrict your coach when you clearly have already invested in him changing everything around.

I agree if that is truly Rhules wishes but if his options are Can Newton or Kyle Allen, I think his choice is obvious and he knew his qb options when he signed on here as did Brady. I don't even want to see a hint of Rivera's culture here, but that doesnt mean Cam Carrys that stench.

[Matt62881]

1 hour ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

In '12, Alex Smith was traded to the Chiefs for a 2nd-rounder & a conditional pick after a pro bowl season. He was traded again in '18 to the Foreskins for a 3rd-rounder. Again, it was after a pro bowl season.

In '19, Flacco was traded to the Broncos for a 4th-rounder. Flacco had been injury prone & not so hot for the previous 2 seasons.

In '06, Dante Culpepper was traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd-rounder. Culpepper was recovering from ACL, MCL & PCL injuries.

IMO, there is no way in hell a team is going to trade a 1st-rounder for Cam, despite being a former MVP QB. He's been injury prone for the past two seasons & is still recovering. The best we could possibly do is a 3rd-rounder & a 7th-rounder, just like we did with the Bills when we traded Benji.

Unless we trade up for a quality QB who could play right away (Joe Burrow?), keeping Cam for a one year audition is our best option. If Cam stays, Olsen will stay. Same for lots of useful FAs such as McCoy, Boston & Super Mario. They LOVE Cam.

But if Cam goes, they'll all go.

I would love for Olsen to stay but he would have to take a large pay cut. Ian has excelled when given full snap counts and they might decide to go younger anyway. I agree with you on the rest of it and with a 2nd round center and a FA vet LT we should be able to protect Cam and hopefully the year goes good extending his career here.

[Daywa1ker]

3 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

We would be lucky to get a 2nd or even a 3rd at this point.

This is just mind-bogglingly inaccurate

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Daywa1ker said:

This is just mind-bogglingly inaccurate

When was the last time cam won a game?

[Tarheels23]

3 hours ago, Matt62881 said:

Without being competitive we dont fill the stands, from a buisness side of things this is a no no. There is a path that is very plausible that keeps us competitive and doesnt hurt our future next year but it requires Cam. I'm fact it makes us a top team barring injuries of course but we can use the latter part of the draft for depth. 

Expound

[RealBitsOfPanther]

Honestly, i've made my peace with Cam being gone when he got hurt early in the season. The writing has been on the wall for sometime now that he isn't in the future plans. Some of ya'll are feeling some type of way about all these changes and players leaving/retiring when you should be embracing it. Just look at our record and division record since the super bowl year. 

[Matt62881]

42 minutes ago, Tarheels23 said:

Expound

Check out my thread, it has my roster projections after FA and the first 3 picks of the draft along with why I feel we can compete.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

1 hour ago, Daywa1ker said:

This is just mind-bogglingly inaccurate

How is it inaccurate? First off how many teams are going to need a Qb? Of those teams which ones would give higher than a 2nd rounder for a guy coming off 2 major injuries with only 1 year left on his contract? I'd love to hear how much draft capital you think we'd get for him

[Mr Mojo Risin]

20 minutes ago, RealBitsOfPanther said:

Honestly, i've made my peace with Cam being gone when he got hurt early in the season. The writing has been on the wall for sometime now that he isn't in the future plans. Some of ya'll are feeling some type of way about all these changes and players leaving/retiring when you should be embracing it. Just look at our record and division record since the super bowl year. 

Yes. Embrace the suck. Embrace the losing for absolutely no guarantee this franchise will.go to the playoffs at all under coach Rhule. You dont get rid of the best Qb your franchise has ever seen at 31 years old. I'm going to say it again, moves like that are the reason why this team has a bigger chance of becoming the Browns of the NFC rather than a perennial playoff team. 

[onmyown]

6 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Exactly, people on here wanting to give Cam away for scraps.  Cam is a former MVP and proven QB.  If he is healthy you have to stick with the sure thing.  If you want a QB for the future take one in the second and let him sit behind Cam.  

i don’t understand how a MVP accolade from 4 years ago seems to be more relevant than more recent events to some people