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"..we will never see '15 Cam again.." - '17 season review


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"..we will never see '15 Cam again.."

We saw Cam Newton in MVP form in '17

Have another look at the '17 Carolina Panthers

Cam Newton in '17 had his season high in rushing .. 754 Yards - led the team - he would have to if this team was to be competitive with this receiving group ...

Greg Olsen - 191 rec. yards

Brenton Bersin - 128 rec. yards

Ed Dickson - 437 rec. yards

Kelvin Benjamin - 475 rec. yards

Damiere Byrd - 105 rec. yards

Curtis Samuel - 115 rec. yards

Russell Shepard - 202 rec. yards

Christian McCaffrey - 651 rec. yards

Devin Funchess - 840 rec. yards

Kaelin Clay - 57 rec. yards

 

The only reason this receiving group did not put up better numbers is because Cam is a sub-par QB who always looks to run and that was hindering these receivers #amirite

Appreciate the greatness that was '17 Cam .. and whenever somebody says "..we will never see '15 Cam again.." direct them here ..

The NFC South in '17 sent three teams to the playoffs ... that is rare to do. The Carolina Panthers were 11-5 ..

Just take a look at the receiving numbers list again, and take into account Cam was the teams leading rusher .. what QB would have went 11-5 with this roster?

Any other QB .. any other QB .. besides Cam Newton in '17 .. and this team is not a playoff team .. this team was utter garbage - the defense may have been decent, but there have been plenty of decent Jets/Bills/Jaguars defenses that are left out to dry because the offense is so terrible ..

Without Cam the '17 offense would have been so terrible even the decent defense would have done nothing in regards to us making the playoffs team.

'17 Panthers would have been absolutely putrid without Cam Newton .. 3 to 5 wins type putrid .. but Cam, because he is so great, led a bunch of nobodies on offense, to 11 wins and a playoff birth.

The offense today is loads better than it was in '17 and people wonder if Cam wants to be apart of such a "bad" roster .. stop

Cam Newton didn't get the acclaim he did in '15 in '17 ... but look into the details .. Cam was clearly in MVP form in '17

If Cam had a receiver even as good as Ginn in '17 - Cam would have won MVP #2 .. Cam got all he could out of that offense - Cam got more out of the '17 offense than any other QB could have ..

This is to de-bunk the not very bright statement that "..we'll never see '15 Cam again.." - we saw '15 Cam in '17 if by '15 Cam, people mean, a Cam Newton in MVP form ..

Recognize

Cam's been injured for a year and a half and people be like .. we ain't saw healthy Cam in 3 years .. no .. half of '18 and '19 .. he's been injured for 1.5 seasons not 3

 

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Just now, Ricky Spanish said:

Didn't Cam only attempt a handful of deep throws in 17?

I mean he wasn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination but you could tell the limited practice throughout the year and his shoulder healing hampered his game in 2017. 

Look at the list of receiving again ..

Cam Newton could have gotten more out of ________________ receiving wise in '17 ..

?

Please, fill in the blank ...

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1 minute ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Look at the list of receiving again ..

Cam Newton could have gotten more out of ________________ receiving wise in '17 ..

?

Please, fill in the blank ...

Not arguing his receivers were terrible. I'm arguing his arm wasn't fully healed and he couldn't throw like he could in 15. 

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7 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Not arguing his receivers were terrible. I'm arguing his arm wasn't fully healed and he couldn't throw like he could in 15. 

He was inhibiting these WR's .. a different QB could have gotten more receiving yards out of this receiving group .. is what you are saying ..

lol

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14 minutes ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

He was inhibiting these WR's .. a different QB could have gotten more receiving yards out of this receiving group .. is what you are saying ..

lol

Image result for your logical fallacy is

Nice strawman dawg. 

See below for statistical evidence:

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His efficiency numbers were down across the board. Dude wasn't practicing throughout the week and it hindered him. You could tell he didn't trust his arm to throw downfield that season. 

His receivers weren't great but he also wasn't as good as he was in 2015. 

I'm sorry you don't know how to talk/debate like a normal human being. 

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1 minute ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Image result for your logical fallacy is

Nice strawman dawg. 

See below for statistical evidence:

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His efficiency numbers were down across the board. Dude wasn't practicing throughout the week and it hindered him. You could tell he didn't trust his arm to throw downfield that season. 

His receivers weren't great but he also wasn't as good as he was in 2015. 

I'm sorry you can't understand my opinion and take it personally. 

The differences highlighted can directly be attributed to his weapons being worse ..

Olsen and Ginn are what bump those numbers up in '15

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