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Tua Tagovailoa

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8 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I’m just hoping hurney has one more ace in the hole, if we go qb I’m hoping it’s a vintage hurney 1st rounder hof bound guy. Tua maybe it, just hope we scope him out just in case he falls to .

this Teddy Bridgewater mania people are trying to start is going to disappoint a lot of you. 

If Hurney drafts Tua, I’ll be the first one to say give Marty life time extension.

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41 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

If you think Tua has a chance to be a very good to great QB it doesn't matter who else is there.  A QB is so much more important to the success of your team then any other position that if you have a chance to a get a franchise guy you don't pass.

A QB is like a pitcher on a baseball team, they have a bigger influence on you winning and losing then any other position and its not even close.

A "healthy" Tua would be the number one pick a lot of years.  You don't pass on that hoping to get Trevor next year.  There is no guarantee that you are going to be that bad.  Franchises can go decades without getting a top pick, if he is healthy you would take him.  Honestly though if he makes it to 7, there is a reason.

 

Some people still think that you can win a Super Bowl like the Ravens (Dilfer) and Bucs (Johnson) with a great defense in today’s NFL. Eagles/Foles did it with Pederson, their head coach. If Tua falls to 7, it’s not because of his QB play but concerns about his health. 

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54 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just hope we've done our due diligence on him. If we didn't not expecting him to be there then shame on us. It'd be awkward sitting there at #7 with him on the board having not done our homework on him, especially on the injury front. Teddy Bridgewater on the roster is no reason at all to pass on a guy if we think he's a potential legit franchise NFL QB.

“ESPN's David Newton noted "don't be shocked" if the Panthers pursue Alabama's Tua Tagovailoa or Oregon's Justin Herbert if either player is still on the board when they pick at No. 7 overall. ”


“Bridgewater is a safety net in the event one of the top quarterbacks isn't available in the draft. He looked terrific last season with 1,384 yards, nine touchdowns and a 67.9 completion percentage in nine games for the New Orleans Saints, including five starts when Drew Brees was out with a thumb injury.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2882931-panthers-reporter-dont-be-shocked-if-car-drafts-tua-tagovailoa-or-herbert.amp.html

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As a Bama grad, I would love for the Panthers to draft Tua. His accuracy and decision-making are top notch. He has also displayed a keen ability to throw his receivers open. He also has a brilliant football IQ, many times diagnosing the defense and knowing where the ball should go even before the snap. No doubt in my mind that health Tua could be the Panthers’ next franchise quarterback, and as many have said, the value of a franchise QB is far more than an interior DL or a CB. 

The question I have is this: although Tua’s hip is checking out medically, how will he react psychologically once the hits start coming? Will he be gun shy? Will he avoid contact to the detriment of the team? Based on how I’ve seen him play after his two tightrope surgeries, I don’t think so. However, the hip injury is a far more serious injury than a couple sprained ankles. 

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9 hours ago, AU-panther said:

If you think Tua has a chance to be a very good to great QB it doesn't matter who else is there.  A QB is so much more important to the success of your team then any other position that if you have a chance to a get a franchise guy you don't pass.

A QB is like a pitcher on a baseball team, they have a bigger influence on you winning and losing then any other position and its not even close.

A "healthy" Tua would be the number one pick a lot of years.  You don't pass on that hoping to get Trevor next year.  There is no guarantee that you are going to be that bad.  Franchises can go decades without getting a top pick, if he is healthy you would take him.  Honestly though if he makes it to 7, there is a reason.

 

Agree you don't tank hoping for a certain QB down the road. But I am not convinced Tua would be great enough to trade up for him. Remember when everyone was all about moving up for Fournette and I among others were talking about staying put and drafted CMC. 

Tua benefitted from the Alabama system and while he was a good QB, he wasn't great and the injury issues make things murky. I will trust our folks to do their due diligence and know more than me who is a casual observer. But you predicated your argument on whether he will be a good or great QB in the NFL and that is a legitimate debate. I am not sure he is so great to move up or even choose at 7 if you have a Brown or Simmons on the board. We already have a starting QB but we don't have any great DTs other than Short or a great linebacker corps. Tua would sit for a year or more right now. We need our first rounder to be a starter not a backup. We have too many holes for that.

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I'd take Tua if you can clear him health wise, it makes a lot of sense especially if we don't believe we will be one of the two worst teams next year

and here's the best part, let's say we are: then you trade Tua and take Lawrence or Fields or keep Tua and sell that pick for a king's ransom. 

QB is the most valuable position and it's hard to pass on a potential number one pick when he falls to seven 

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13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot fairer to judge a guy as an NFL player after 5 NFL seasons than it is to judge a guy who hasn't played in an NFL game yet.

Hint: Guys who are on their 3rd team in six years generally aren't very good.

That’s a horrible opinion. Bridgewater isn’t great but he is a pretty good quarterback and literally everything you could look up about him proves it. The only thing that makes people think he isn’t good is their own personal bias. 

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Agree you don't tank hoping for a certain QB down the road. But I am not convinced Tua would be great enough to trade up for him. Remember when everyone was all about moving up for Fournette and I among others were talking about staying put and drafted CMC. 

Tua benefitted from the Alabama system and while he was a good QB, he wasn't great and the injury issues make things murky. I will trust our folks to do their due diligence and know more than me who is a casual observer. But you predicated your argument on whether he will be a good or great QB in the NFL and that is a legitimate debate. I am not sure he is so great to move up or even choose at 7 if you have a Brown or Simmons on the board. We already have a starting QB but we don't have any great DTs other than Short or a great linebacker corps. Tua would sit for a year or more right now. We need our first rounder to be a starter not a backup. We have too many holes for that.

If you believe that Tua is the best player on you board, you have take him at 7. Many people didn’t think that Deshaun Watson was going to be a 1st rounder or even succeeding in the NFL. Houston traded up for Watson and took him with the 12th pick. Same for Mahomes being drafted at 10th and same for Daniel Jones going 6th. All three teams struck gold. When you’re Matt Rhule on a seven year contract, you don’t need that 1st rounder to be an instant starter in 2020.

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