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Who is the leader of the defense??

No Luke, No TD no Mario..

Who right now is the actual leader of the defense..

1. Shaq - got the contract and learned under Luke and TD..

2. KK - oldest tenured player..

3. Tre Boston- right now he is swagger spokesman and attitude setter of the secondary and maybe defense... He made his opinions known all draft weekend.. And I bet contacted all the young secondary players..

4. Tahir Whitehead - probably MLB starter probably will get the headset and is known for giving out pre game speeches and pumping up players on the sidelines...

Who you got??

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3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Don't get it twisted just because he was hurt last season, KK is a natural leader! His absence was profound last season! Not enough people talk about or appreciate that!

It pretty funny to me that some fans still think Short is going to be a part of this team’s future. The only reason why he is still here is because we can’t cut or trade him. The man has quit playing hard since his big pay day. 

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Just now, MMA said:

It pretty funny to me that some fans still think Short is going to be a part of this team’s future. The only reason why he is still here is because we can’t cut or trade him. The man has quit playing hard since his big pay day. 

And yet, when you look at 2018, he was still rated as a top five DT in the league depending upon who you believe! He was certainly top 10 on any list!

I 100% reject the weak, pretty much baseless narrative that he quit playing once he got paid! Did his game take a little stumble? Sure! Was he awful or even JAG? Not by a long shot!

 

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7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

And yet, when you look at 2018, he was still rated as a top five DT in the league depending upon who you believe! He was certainly top 10 on any list!

I 100% reject the weak, pretty much baseless narrative that he quit playing once he got paid! Did his game take a little stumble? Sure! Was he awful or even JAG? Not by a long shot!

 

PFF overall grade by year for Short

2013: 73.8

2014: 79.5

2015: 90.5

2016: 86.7

2017: 91.8

2018: 83.7

2019: 73.6

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12 minutes ago, MMA said:

PFF overall grade by year for Short

2013: 73.8

2014: 79.5

2015: 90.5

2016: 86.7

2017: 91.8

2018: 83.7

2019: 73.6

This proves my point! Even PFF had Short ranked highly as a DL going into 2019.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-ranks-the-top-10-interior-defensive-linemen-ahead-of-the-2019-nfl-season

I mean, if you are going to decide that he's trash based upon the last season where his entire cast of supporting characters took a dip due to the 3-4 transition debacle, and discount the impact of his injury, then be my guest! All I know is things fell apart precipitously when he went on IR. 

Like I said, context matters!

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Shaq may end up the vocal leader he was groomed under TD and Luke he knows what it takes.But make no mistake KK is the leader of this defense and a healthy KK can be counted on to make a play when needed you see he was excited about the draft he’s gearing up to play. I see why Top got so mad it’s basically disrespectful to a players hard work and what he wants for his career to say oh he stopped after he got paid so he doesn’t have fire? He’s gonna bumble and fumble through this season with all these professionals hungry dogs just because he’s gotten one good contract? Naw some people want rings accolades achievements to actually leave a legacy and this rhetoric that he quit makes no sense because his pff grade changed some. You need talent and GOOD SCHEMES to be a successful football player.

Edit: I just read they above honestly context matters, I’m still hype off the draft so I’ll have to respond to people spewing out bs football talk.

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39 minutes ago, top dawg said:

This proves my point! Even PFF had Short ranked highly as a DL going into 2019.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-pff-ranks-the-top-10-interior-defensive-linemen-ahead-of-the-2019-nfl-season

I mean, if you are going to decide that he's trash based upon the last season where his entire cast of supporting characters took a dip due to the 3-4 transition debacle, and discount the impact of his injury, then be my guest! All I know is things fell apart precipitously when he went on IR. 

Like I said, context matters!

What’s his sack # since 2015?

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