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DaveThePanther2008

By DaveThePanther2008,
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3 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Maybe I read your post wrong.  I thought you said that professional scouts with years of research wouldn't allow the combine to deter their thinking. Maybe I misinterpreted.

No, they won't under normal circumstances! The only way that the Combine will move the needle is if a QB bombs and doesn't represent what he has on tape. Sure, if he's a flop, he's going to pay a price, but that can be said of any player. But how many times does a top QB prospect flop at the Combine to the point where he drops considerably? I really can't think of any offhand that moved the needle that much. 

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10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

No, they won't under normal circumstances! The only way that the Combine will move the needle is if a QB bombs and doesn't represent what he has on tape. Sure, if he's a flop, he's going to pay a price, but that can be said of any player. But how many times does a top QB prospect flop at the Combine to the point where he drops considerably? I really can't think of any offhand that moved the needle that much. 

Well of course it wont move the needle if they have an as expected combine...but if youre a qb from a small school and you have a weaker then anticipated combine its going to hurt you. It doesnt have to be a bomb....it could just be weak.

If Lance runs a 4.8 it will hurt him.  If Mac Jones or Kyle Trask kill it then they will move up. For better or worse.

I think its amplified with Lance...not just because he is a small school guy but because he also only played one game this year.

History is laden with guys who got picked real high because of their measurables but turned out to be flat out bums. 

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The question is not whether we need a QB to groom but do we have to settle for the third best QB at 3 or can we get the best guy in the draft not at QB and maybe a guy like Trask to develop down the draft. Will the 4th or 5th best QB be so much better than the 6th or 7th rated guy QB ? Reminds me of the guys who wanted Simmons in the first. Instead we got Brown and then got Chinn in the second. This time get a top left tackle in the first and get a 6th ranked QB in the second.  Versus getting the third or 4th best QB in the first and the 8th ranked tackle in the second.

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6 hours ago, imminent rogaine said:

With Marty gone, I think trading back is actually on the table now. A trade back To the middle of the first could very well mean two additional starters.

If we do skip QB early, Desmond Ridder and Kenny Pickett seem like they are worth look later in the draft. I don’t really feel like there is any drop off between these two and the guys we have been talking about.

 

Pickett is going back to school. 

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5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Well of course it wont move the needle if they have an as expected combine...but if youre a qb from a small school and you have a weaker then anticipated combine its going to hurt you. It doesnt have to be a bomb....it could just be weak.

If Lance runs a 4.8 it will hurt him.  If Mac Jones or Kyle Trask kill it then they will move up. For better or worse.

I think its amplified with Lance...not just because he is a small school guy but because he also only played one game this year.

History is laden with guys who got picked real high because of their measurables but turned out to be flat out bums. 

History is laden with guys who got picked real high but turned out to be flat out bums!

I just haven't seen a highly rated prospect pre-Combine drop out of the first round due to the Combine!

 

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23 minutes ago, top dawg said:

History is laden with guys who got picked real high but turned out to be flat out bums!

I just haven't seen a highly rated prospect pre-Combine drop out of the first round due to the Combine!

 

Little wasn't a top 10 pick but he was considered a 1st rounder until the combine and then he really started to fall. His combine was atrocious. His inability to even do most of the drills really spoke to how unprepared for the NFL he was. He looked like a late day 3 tackle. If we hadn't taken him, I'm not sure he would have gone day 2 or could have possibly been skipped over on day 3.  

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7 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Huh? Rosen was a high first round pick.

He slid. But let me ask you this. When was the last time we've had a covid year on college football? You dont think there will be a little extra riding on the combine given the shortened seasons, players opting out of the season, travel restrictions affecting scouts and etc. I would think the combine would be more important for prospects then any other season in history this year.

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1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Little wasn't a top 10 pick but he was considered a 1st rounder until the combine and then he really started to fall. His combine was atrocious. His inability to even do most of the drills really spoke to how unprepared for the NFL he was. He looked like a late day 3 tackle. If we hadn't taken him, I'm not sure he would have gone day 2 or could have possibly been skipped over on day 3.  

We're talking QBs.

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