Understanding Defensive Needs: The Big Nickel

[TheProcess]

18 minutes ago, Waldo said:

CB in the first is possible only behind QB, LT but in front of a trade back scenario. A #1 CB would be a nice consolation prize for not getting a QB, LT looks unlikely for us in the 1st at this time. I still think we take a QB and look at CB in the 2nd. I am not hearing this being an amazing OT class but it sounds deep at CB. If we can snag a solid S to work on then we have checked some large boxes for team needs. 

I don't do much research into players until closer to the combine, just too much work, so thanks for adding some names to youtube. 

I went to a simulator and drafted this. I only wish this was possible.

Traded pick 9 for 11 and 47

Traded pick 11 for 19 and 51

Was offered 48 and 11 for 47, I accepted

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

good post 

[TheProcess]

28 minutes ago, Waldo said:

CB in the first is possible only behind QB, LT but in front of a trade back scenario. A #1 CB would be a nice consolation prize for not getting a QB, LT looks unlikely for us in the 1st at this time. I still think we take a QB and look at CB in the 2nd. I am not hearing this being an amazing OT class but it sounds deep at CB. If we can snag a solid S to work on then we have checked some large boxes for team needs. 

I don't do much research into players until closer to the combine, just too much work, so thanks for adding some names to youtube. 

There are 3 LT that will probably go round 1 in this draft. Penei Sewell, Rashawn Slater, and Christian Darrisaw

Round 1 corners are probably Jaycee Horn, Patrick Surtain, and Caleb Farley

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

good post 

thanks bro.  Happy 2021

[CanadianCat]

FINALLY a post with a decent discussion. Maybe 2021 has a chance!

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, TheProcess said:

There are 3 LT that will probably go round 1 in this draft. Penei Sewell, Rashawn Slater, and Christian Darrisaw

Round 1 corners are probably Jaycee Horn, Patrick Surtain, and Caleb Farley

Good to know. Listening to the draftheads around it sounded like 1 with the other 2 as maybe. I don't know but if it is a shallow pool then those positions in those drafts are way overvalued. If Little came out a year latter he would have gone rounds behind where we took him in the 2020 draft. 

The CBs impress me with their size, usually the top few are not all that solid on size. I wish your mock were true, if the QB like Lance isn't the real deal than I want a trade down. 

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

There are 3 LT that will probably go round 1 in this draft. Penei Sewell, Rashawn Slater, and Christian Darrisaw

Round 1 corners are probably Jaycee Horn, Patrick Surtain, and Caleb Farley

Yes--I agree.  There are some other OTs that will be NFL starters in this draft---Cosmi, Leatherwood, Little Walker, Notre Dame T (can't recall his name, too tired to Google--Liam or something), and there are 3 mid-sized school OTs I really like (NDSU, N.Iowa, Memphis).  Michigan has a good RT, etc.  Nice draft for Tackles. 

I would love Farley, but think "Big Nickel" and take a look at this guy:  Allie Green, Tulsa CB.  6-3, 215.  We could use him at S, CB, Nickel. 

[TheProcess]

45 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Good to know. Listening to the draftheads around it sounded like 1 with the other 2 as maybe. I don't know but if it is a shallow pool then those positions in those drafts are way overvalued. If Little came out a year latter he would have gone rounds behind where we took him in the 2020 draft. 

The CBs impress me with their size, usually the top few are not all that solid on size. I wish your mock were true, if the QB like Lance isn't the real deal than I want a trade down. 

For me, Darrisaw and Slater are worthy, especially Slater. If/when you decide to watch film on them, watch Slater against Chase Young last year.

This is a good CB class in my opinion. 

I too wish my mock were true. If we had that exact draft, we could go all in on Spencer Rattler next year, and be on our way to something special.

[TheProcess]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Yes--I agree.  There are some other OTs that will be NFL starters in this draft---Cosmi, Leatherwood, Little Walker, Notre Dame T (can't recall his name, too tired to Google--Liam or something), and there are 3 mid-sized school OTs I really like (NDSU, N.Iowa, Memphis).  Michigan has a good RT, etc.  Nice draft for Tackles. 

I would love Farley, but think "Big Nickel" and take a look at this guy:  Allie Green, Tulsa CB.  6-3, 215.  We could use him at S, CB, Nickel. 

Liam Eichenberg is tge ND tackle. Probably a 2nd round pick, good player.

[BrianS]

While I understand the point of the post and article, I don't think it's quite as clear cut as "We don't need a Kuechly type".

Against 13, 21 and 22 personnel, you're still going to want to run some form of 4-3 just to give yourself a solid run stopping defense.  Against 12 personnel, it's really about your players, maybe you have to come out of base, maybe not. 

That said, in any kind of 4-3, you want a Mike that can do the things Kuechly / Beason / Morgan did.  Depending on who that Mike is, you may or may not need to sub him when the opponent starts tossing more pass catchers out there.  I'd say in the case of Kuechly, he fits into any defense you want to run.  Probably Beason as well before injuries.  Morgan was great, but not quite as good in coverage so perhaps you do sub him for a big nickel.

Finally, I don't think that you necessarily need to find your Mike in round 1.  I think you can find him anywhere.  We found AJ Klein in the fifth.  He's an absolutely fine Mike.  His only problem was being drafted on to the same team as the GOAT.

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, TheProcess said:

For me, Darrisaw and Slater are worthy, especially Slater. If/when you decide to watch film on them, watch Slater against Chase Young last year.

This is a good CB class in my opinion. 

I too wish my mock were true. If we had that exact draft, we could go all in on Spencer Rattler next year, and be on our way to something special.

I'll check them out. Thanks for the direction.