Bieniemy apparently out of the running in Houston

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

These morons still haven’t figured out the difference between equity and equality but are comfortable calling people racists based on factual information because it hurts their feelings.

What the fug does your statement have to do with anything? Don't hide behind useless verboseness!

In practical terms--in reality--the only way that oppressed peoples will have equity is when society starts giving (showing) them equality!

[WarHeel]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

What the fug does your statement have to do with anything? Don't hide behind useless verboseness!

In practical terms--in reality--the only way that oppressed peoples will have equity is when society starts giving (showing) them equality!

Everyone should have equal opportunity to do whatever the hell they want to do. It’s a great thing that in the year 2021 Americans can do just that.

[top dawg]

Just now, WarHeel said:

Everyone should have equal opportunity to do whatever the hell they want to do. It’s a great thing that in the year 2021 Americans can do just that.

You're right! And if everyone were on a level playing field, that would be fuging wonderful and incredible! But that's not the case! Don't lie and say that it is!

[Jon Snow]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Side Note: If the Texans were to choose Leslie Frazier, our old buddy Eric Washington could be in line for a defensive coordinator job again.

I don't know that it'd be a good idea, but hey...

Please let this happen.  The only thing better would be for him the be the dc in dc.

[WarHeel]

Just now, top dawg said:

You're right! And if everyone were on a level playing field, that would be fuging wonderful and incredible! But that's not the case! Don't lie and say that it is!

Not everyone starts on an even playing field. That really sucks. But everyone is afforded the same opportunities. Some will have to pay a higher expense or work much harder for it but the opportunities are there nonetheless. 

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

LMFAO!

This is why I hardly ever go to the TB. I have little patience for people who try to skirt around the issue of racism by giving all kinds of reasons why this case and that case can't possibly be the result of systemic racism. 

I'll tell you like I tell anyone else; the data in this country tells a story. That's why I like Andrew Yang who is data-driven. His solutions are data-driven and fully in tune with what's happening in the 21st century as opposed to the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. But, getting back on point, blacks in this country come out on the negative end of the spectrum--the short end of the stick--by just about every social and economic measure that you can think of  (e.g. infant mortality, home ownership, education and higher education, incarceration, loan rates, ability to get loans, communities subject to questionable environmental conditions, covid-19 deaths, wages, etc.) If you want to pretend that this is not the direct result of systemic racism and oppression, that's your choice, but this tells me all that I need to know about you in your regards to a sense of fairness, justice, empathy, and morality.

Now I'm not saying that maybe this isn't currently the issue with the Texans and Bienemy. On its face, you could say that since the Texans appear to be on the way to hiring a black coach, that racism plays no part in this. But looking at the reported issues surrounding the owner and reasons that Deshaun Watson is disgruntled, and the appearance that it seems as though the Texans are trying to make Watson happy and/or at least save face under the pressure of his anger, I'd suggest that there is at least a chance that racism has indirectly played a part in all of this, just like it continues to be pervasive in many social and economic sectors in this country, as reflected by the data. 

Lastly, if you believe that blacks are on the negative end of the spectrum on pretty much all the measurements because blacks actually are inferior, then you're a racist, point blank!

Litterbox, if you want to lose brain cells, its perfect. I can not speak on on current events there, as I never visit (once in years). With trying not to make this thread into one, 100% blacks where given the "short stick" many years ago. I said this even then and for sure now, Id rather be black in America than anywhere else. Its like no one traveled before, dear god I wish some could to get a real dose.  I do not feel Eric has gotten "short-stick"  cause of his skin color, especially with the amount of interviews. Something is happening with the process, that turns owners/GMs cold. Spit ballin- maybe hes blunt and too honest.  Maybe like Joe Brady he has a weak list of hires. One of my  construction guys had a saying about those who complained about hiring process-" You have to be employable".

[ImaginaryKev]

If someone wanted to make the argument that nepotism was the biggest problem black coaches face when it comes to breaking into the HC ranks that's actually more believable than simply black coaches aren't good enough.

As it stands now though the usual suspects want us to believe black coaches are being treated fairly and just aren't built to lead and it's white defensive backs getting discriminated against and well, I guess that's to be expected in a topic like this.

Someone even found a way to complain about "fake handouts" and "indoctrination" while doing it. Heel still can't explain why black players and coaches disagree with his assumptions that head coaching opportunities is a merit based system when clearly it isn't. I can totally see how possibly owners might be more comfortable with white coaches and it's not a malicious thing but a subconscious bias thing, but trying to divorce race from this conversation is just weird. Or maybe it's intentional since it's a pattern for one of you. 

[top dawg]

6 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Not everyone starts on an even playing field. That really sucks. But everyone is afforded the same opportunities. Some will have to pay a higher expense or work much harder for it but the opportunities are there nonetheless. 

I think that's a bald-faced lie, but let's say that it's tue, it sounds like some are privileged and some are not, and sounds like you are happy with that status quo. Typical!

Edited January 27, 2021 by top dawg

[ImaginaryKev]

If that were true the Rooney Rule wouldn't exist lol

Oh man, the denial

[Basbear]

7 minutes ago, ImaginaryKev said:

If someone wanted to make the argument that nepotism was the biggest problem black coaches face when it comes to breaking into the HC ranks that's actually more believable than simply black coaches aren't good enough.

As it stands now though the usual suspects want us to believe black coaches are being treated fairly and just aren't built to lead and it's white defensive backs getting discriminated against and well, I guess that's to be expected in a topic like this.

Someone even found a way to complain about "fake handouts" and "indoctrination" while doing it. Heel still can't explain why black players and coaches disagree with his assumptions that head coaching opportunities is a merit based system when clearly it isn't. I can totally see how possibly owners might be more comfortable with white coaches and it's not a malicious thing but a subconscious bias thing, but trying to divorce race from this conversation is just weird. Or maybe it's intentional since it's a pattern for one of you. 

How many black HC need to be hired? You never answered my question about who you'd hire. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by Basbear

[WarHeel]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I think that's a bald-faced lie, but let's say that it's tue, it sounds like some are privileged and some are not, and sounds like you are happy with that status quo. Typical!

My definition aligns with the classic definition of privilege in that it is not bound by the color of your skin. Compared to my mother who grew up in the projects I grew up privileged. Compared to me a lot of my Caucasian friends grew up privileged. Not because they are white but because of the opportunities afforded them based on their head start. But at the end of the day they had to make the decision to not fug up their head start just like my mother had to make the decision to join the military and better herself otherwise fall in line with the family history of poverty and self-loathing. 

[ImaginaryKev]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

How many black HC need to be hired? You never answered my question about who you'd hire. 

I didn't answer it bc it really doesn't matter. I don't know, maybe one out of the seven vacancies which all passed over black people? But at this point it'd be ridiculous to force it in Houston bc they already screwed their process bc their owners is a dummy. And it'll always be looked at as a token hire regardless despite the fact that if black coaches were treated fairly and actually given fair opportunity (which is the main point of all this) we wouldn't need the rooney rule and we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with. Not sure why that's controversial but it offends folks like Warheel who thinks everyone gets the same opportunities and rejects data which proves him wrong lol

[top dawg]

Just now, WarHeel said:

My definition aligns with the classic definition of privilege in that it is not bound by the color of your skin. Compared to my mother who grew up in the projects I grew up privileged. Compared to me a lot of my Caucasian friends grew up privileged. Not because they are white but because of the opportunities afforded them based on their head start. But at the end of the day they had to make the decision to not fug up their head start just like my mother had to make the decision to join the military and better herself otherwise fall in line with the family history of poverty and self-loathing. 

Denial of history and denial of social and economic data that indeed does reflect that racial discrimination is still very pervasive in America and that it is still very much causitive and effective of negative results (some having their origins at the birth of this nation) is ignorant and/or morally unacceptable! In other words, it's racist! Point blank!

[WarHeel]

5 minutes ago, ImaginaryKev said:

I didn't answer it bc it really doesn't matter. I don't know, maybe one out of the seven vacancies which all passed over black people? But at this point it'd be ridiculous to force it in Houston bc they already screwed their process bc their owners is a dummy. And it'll always be looked at as a token hire regardless despite the fact that if black coaches were treated fairly and actually given fair opportunity (which is the main point of all this) we wouldn't need the rooney rule and we wouldn't be having this discussion to begin with. Not sure why that's controversial but it offends folks like Warheel who thinks everyone gets the same opportunities and rejects data which proves him wrong lol

Once again, who’s offended?

Any data derived from this discussion has roots that extend decades. I see the point but it’s not enough to generalize entire populations to fit into the tiny narrative that life isn’t fair because of the color of your skin in this country in the year 2021. As other posters have mentioned, travel outside the country and you’ll realize how wonderful we all have it here. Stop drinking the media kool-aid.