Verge's Draft General thread 2021

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Verge said:

This is based on my grades when I was scouting them, as in as they entered the draft. I flip flopped all year between Herbert and Tua. Most of the year Herbert was my locked in #1 overall pick, but Burrow kind of flipped all that on it's head. I ultimately decided on Tua over Hebert by the slightest of margins just because of release time and lack of questions about offensive design. I had a serious draft crush on Herbert though. 

Okay, so this is a rating that doesn't take into account the actual performance of the guys in the NFL last season?

[Panthero]

55 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

No because he is not that good, people need to quit listening to the Jones to Panthers at 8. We’re not that stupid!

Man i hope so. 

[GOAT]

Mac Jones is gonna make some folks look silly. I just have a feeling.

[Verge]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Okay, so this is a rating that doesn't take into account the actual performance of the guys in the NFL last season?

Right 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Verge said:

Right 

Okay. That makes sense, in that case.

Objection withdrawn.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Mac Jones is gonna make some folks look silly. I just have a feeling.

I disagree but you will have plenty of crow to serve if that is indeed the case.

[Verge]

4 minutes ago, GOAT said:

Mac Jones is gonna make some folks look silly. I just have a feeling.

I'm like this close to dropping him below Mond. He has some really bad tape, and is hard as hell to evaluate. His ND game is what I'm watching literally right now and it is just...not good?

[MHS831]

Not interested in debating whether a QB is going to be good or not--systems and patience play huge roles.  Most of us would have bashed Tom Brady if it was suggested we drafted him....

I am interested in Rondale Moore, a player you pitched last week, I think.  He could be there in 2nd.  I am also interested to see you are high on S Gillespie--another round 2 prospect.

I would love to hear that Moton is going to the left side and we could take Teven Jenkins and plug him in at RT on day one.  If we added 2 Gs in free agency, that could get scary.  I am also impressed that you are not too high on Cosmi--not a first rounder.

Round 2 looks good if we want value at G. 

Thanks for posting this, Verge. 

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Mac Jones doesn't make your top 50?

He is either a big NO for folks or he is a top 3 QB.  Funny how polarizing he is.

[MHS831]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I disagree but you will have plenty of crow to serve if that is indeed the case.

I see scary red flags with Fields, Lance, Wilson (to a lesser degree) and Jones as well.  They all have some bad tape---and concerns.  I think we are picking them apart, but we shall see.  I do not like drafting Jones at 8, but think they might.  I do think Jones will be better than most think because he processes so quickly--but he is not the athlete Fields is and does not have the canon.  He cannot run like Lance.  I get it, but what he does well is hard to see on film because it occurs between the ear holes in his helmet.  I am not sold on any QB--the best QB draft EVER had 6 first rounders taken--3 were busts.  Three became hall of famers (1983).  When I go back and watch what I can before that draft, I am telling you, I would have never picked the 3 hall of famers out of a lineup---so I am just throwing it out there and munching popcorn.  I love this time of year.

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

He is either a big NO for folks or he is a top 3 QB.  Funny how polarizing he is.

The funny thing about him is that even the Lance stans(and I am largely one) can understand the criticisms of him as a prospect. The Jones stans cannot wrap their heads around why people don't like him as a prospect.

IMO, you really have to believe in that elite processing and upper tier decision making idea for him to be a top 10 prospect. 

[Catsfan69]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

Mac Jones doesn't make your top 50?

Why would he?

[ncfan]

I knew you’d come around.

 

you didn’t have Javonte in your top 5 RBs last month.  Now you have him 4 slots behind Najee and RB3

Edited March 14, 2021 by ncfan

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

I see scary red flags with Fields, Lance, Wilson (to a lesser degree) and Jones as well.  They all have some bad tape---and concerns.  I think we are picking them apart, but we shall see.  I do not like drafting Jones at 8, but think they might.  I do think Jones will be better than most think because he processes so quickly--but he is not the athlete Fields is and does not have the canon.  He cannot run like Lance.  I get it, but what he does well is hard to see on film because it occurs between the ear holes in his helmet.  I am not sold on any QB--the best QB draft EVER had 6 first rounders taken--3 were busts.  Three became hall of famers (1983).  When I go back and watch what I can before that draft, I am telling you, I would have never picked the 3 hall of famers out of a lineup---so I am just throwing it out there and munching popcorn.  I love this time of year.

None of these guys are perfect prospects, but that isn't a big shock. I think if you line up the pros and the cons, Jones has way more cons than the rest of those other 4 guys do IMO.

I can see the argument to a higher overall floor than some of them but his ceiling is just so low. His best case range doesn't have a lot of elite QB's in it.