Go on record. Who still wants Watson?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Smittymoose said:

You’re wrong again. The defendant still starts with a presumption of liability. The burden is just lower for the plaintiff (preponderance of evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt). 

We have an actual lawyer on here who says otherwise.

[Smittymoose]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

For one, every single lawsuit filed is demanding an admission of guilt. So unless you think all 20 plus women are just going to drop that request, then yes, that will be a requirement to settle.

The sex offender thing is a hypothetical. It's the kind of thing that's been requested in other lawsuits.

Yes, that’s how settlements work. People drop their demands to reach an agreement somewhere in the middle. lol if you think he’s going to settle and still admit guilt.

 

Please find a single example of someone registering as a sex offender as a result of a civil suit, particularly upon settlement. You’ll be looking for a while. 

[Smittymoose]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

We have an actual lawyer on here who says otherwise.

Well, he’s a bad one then. A defendant is not presumed liable in a civil suit. A defendant is not liable until the plaintiff proves it is more likely than not (preponderance of the evidence) that the defendant committed whatever civil offense is alleged. The burden is certainly much lower, but a defendant is still presumed not to be liable until proven otherwise. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Smittymoose said:

Yes, that’s how settlements work. People drop their demands to reach an agreement somewhere in the middle. lol if you think he’s going to settle and still admit guilt.

Please find a single example of someone registering as a sex offender as a result of a civil suit, particularly upon settlement. You’ll be looking for a while. 

Their requirements now are $500 and an admission of guilt.

Somehow I don't an offer of $250 and no admission of any wrongdoing on Watson's part is going to do the trick.

Throw in that if he does settle for a larger amount of money, do you really think that's going to make everybody believe he's innocent?

[Doc Holiday]

4 hours ago, Asurfaholic said:

Someone should have told that to Ben Roethlisberger.

They are not the same situation. Ben had 1 accuser. Watson has 20+.

 

[mrcompletely11]

lotta noobs checking in lately

[Smittymoose]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Their requirements now are $500 and an admission of guilt.

Somehow I don't an offer of $250 and no admission of any wrongdoing on Watson's part is going to do the trick.

Throw in that if he does settle for a larger amount of money, do you really think that's going to make everybody believe he's innocent?

 

You should read the lawsuit and not just what the plaintiff’s attorney says. They’re also asking for emotional damages. They had to ask for at least $500 to invoke the jurisdiction of the court. You really think that bozo took these cases as a public service? 

And it doesn’t matter whether anyone “believes” he’s innocent. Who cares? Before you said he was going to be registering as a sex offender and have to admit guilt in any settlement. Now he might just settle for too much money instead? yeesh. 

[Smittymoose]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

lotta noobs checking in lately

Sorry for being right

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Smittymoose said:

 

You should read the lawsuit and not just what the plaintiff’s attorney says. They’re also asking for emotional damages. They had to ask for at least $500 to invoke the jurisdiction of the court. You really think that bozo took these cases as a public service? 

And it doesn’t matter whether anyone “believes” he’s innocent. Who cares? Before you said he was going to be registering as a sex offender and have to admit guilt in any settlement. Now he might just settle for too much money instead? yeesh. 

I've read them all but the latest.

And based on your response, I'm not really even sure you understand what I've said in my posts, so you'll have to pardon me if I don't exactly trust your interpretation of legal documents.

[Smittymoose]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've read them all but the latest.

And based on your response, I'm not really even sure you understand what I've said in my posts, so you'll have to pardon me if I don't exactly trust your interpretation of legal documents.

 

You said he’s probably have to admit guilty, might have to register as a sex offender, and would not start with a presumption of non-liability. Which one have I misunderstood?

 

The truth is, you’re just wrong and trying to write your way out of a corner. If you don’t want Watson, fine, but no reason to spread mistruths. 

[Smittymoose]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've read them all but the latest.

And based on your response, I'm not really even sure you understand what I've said in my posts, so you'll have to pardon me if I don't exactly trust your interpretation of legal documents.

And you should read them again then since you really don’t understand them. For example, both claims A and B in the first suit say “in addition to actual damages, Plaintiff seeks punitive damages, and such damages are not subject to capping.” 

The prayer for relief seeks damages on six separate grounds and also “exemplary damages to deter such conduct going forward.” 

Come on, don’t be so gullible as to believe Buzbee. They are looking for a lot more than $500 out of this. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Smittymoose said:

You said he’s probably have to admit guilty, might have to register as a sex offender, and would not start with a presumption of non-liability. Which one have I misunderstood?

The truth is, you’re just wrong and trying to write your way out of a corner. If you don’t want Watson, fine, but no reason to spread mistruths. 

I would have been fine with getting Watson before all this stuff happened (though I wasn't really up on the idea of trading away a huge haul).

Now, until there's some resolution to this - and probably even after - he's toxic.

Is he guilty? I don't know, but it looks really bad especially in light of the SI story. For him to come him out of this looking clean and innocent would take nothing short of a biblical miracle. And somehow, I just don't think that's in the cards.

What would be required for him to settle? That's pretty flexible, but I seriously doubt any settlement is going to involve all the accusers just saying "Nope. He didn't do anything. Sorry to have troubled you."

Maybe you see that as a realistic outcome. I don't.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Mr. Scot

[Smittymoose]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I would have been fine with getting Watson before all this stuff happened (though I wasn't really up on the idea of trading away a huge haul).

Now, until there's some resolution to this - and probably even after - he's toxic.

Is he guilty? I don't know, but it looks really bad especially in light of the SI story. For him to come him out of this looking clean and innocent would take nothing short of a biblical miracle. And somehow, I just don't think that's in the cards.

What would be required for him to settle? That's pretty flexible, but I seriously doubt any settlement is going to involve all the accusers just saying "Nope. He didn't do anything. Sorry to have troubled you."

Maybe you see that as a realistic outcome. I don't.

I agree it’s too toxic to touch, definitely this offseason and maybe forever. The settlement is pretty likely to be a nothingburger. Regardless of how legitimate any or all of these claims are, he’s not going to admit anything, and they’ll likely all take a confidential paycheck and move along, as is standard. 

[CRA]

50 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sports illustrated knows exactly who she is, and what her credentials are. That's why they reached out to her. You not knowing who she is doesn't delegitimize those things.

And again, civil court doesn't work that way. There's no presumption of innocence in a lawsuit.

Still a Jane Doe.  Still an odd story.   Where did they find her?  Look her up on Instagram and reach out? She work out of her home?   We don’t know anything.  

you seem to be super fixated on Watson’s guilt being determined right now.  

I’m not advocating for a trade now.  And if he gets off with a slap on the wrist and is shown to be a pervert but maybe not an actual criminal....that doesn’t mean I want him here then either.  He isn’t Panther relevant at this point.