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PFF says the Panthers have the 31st ranked OL corp in the NFL this year


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17 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Yes and yes.

Yup.

Wait, you agree that most of the OL is in the prove it category and hence why we are ranked low? What the heck are you arguing about? I said the same damn thing.

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The Panthers carried a large number of developmental projects on the practice squad last year, so it will be up  to the coaches to have some of these players ready for a back up role.

They'll want to bring back those practice squad lineman and give them an actual offseason and maybe some preseason games to see if any of them develop.

If those guys could become viable depth pieces, it would be a significant benefit to roster construction.

As they head into the start up of the 2021 season, the Panthers' offensive line, especially the left side is most certainly still under construction.

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10 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Vegas says our win total is 7.5 which Is average so I assume most smart people see the team/line as average. I trust that over PFF.

Our WRs and RB are a strength. We added some nice additions to the young D that was right around average so our D is very likely considered a strength now. Our OL and QB are the biggest question marks. Not every part of the team is average.

I agree with PFF on our OL ranking. We have Moton and honestly a lot of hope. Hope for rookies to take over and hope that Erving and Elflein play well. When 4 of the 5 spots are rated an average of mid 50s, that’s a bad OL. It would be like having two Tre Boston’s and two Juston Burris’ on the OL with Moton based on how they were ranked last year. That’s not a bottom OL? I think Darnold will improve so I’d say OL is the worst part of our team and the worst part of a 7.5 - 9.5 team is going to be ranked at the bottom.

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18 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Vegas says our win total is 7.5 which Is average so I assume most smart people see the team/line as average. I trust that over PFF.

PFF has us at 7.7 avg wins

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Right side alone should have the panthers in 20s. PFF has NO CLUE AT ALL what the responsibility, play call, or adjustments for OL each snap. Guessing on grading much like all of their grading. The same PFF that ranked Dallas #2 WR when they had the following receiving yards weeks 6-17= 

247

59 (fuging RLOLs)

132 (LOL)

220

196

187 (jesus)

277

171 (my god are we sure these are not rushing stats??)

204

362(finally one close to league average)

199

"You see Bas PFF does this cause stats" bullshit. PFF - "Bills WR has 80.78 high point grade and its supported by his separation grade of 67.59." They also use their rookie ranking to project in these ranking as well, so its not stats or understanding their guess at grading. Im going to quit wasting my time with PFF since I understand its Bullshit. Same gos for trying to help others see the layers of fraud. PFF is only a tiny bit ok if you have no idea about the player or team. Like a person thats never followed any football and is getting fresh/green into NFL. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, WestPanthers said:

And that's how the ignore function use for this forum. He's such a pessimistic and just the cancer of this forum. 

dude has been banned so many times and has so many alt nicks.  he is a cockroach that never goes away.

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24 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wait, you agree that most of the OL is in the prove it category and hence why we are ranked low? What the heck are you arguing about? I said the same damn thing.

Did you read  his post.   Some are underachieving and some are UNDERATED.

The pff score is a wildly inaccurate guess in a spreadsheet.  They don't even know who to grade or how to rate the rookies.  At this point it has no bearing in reality.

 

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39 minutes ago, stbugs said:

JFC dude, PFF did a ranking based on who they thought were the current starters. That’s it. You are seriously acting like they beat your dog.

All of those players are ranked 63 or below, down to 48. Only Moton is considered an above average starter. The rest are all average or below average. It’s not a wild guess, it’s very straightforward based on who they think are our starters and if they plug in Miller or Daley or Erving or Scott it really doesn’t change much. They aren’t considering rookies if they’re not likely starters hence the Jets guy is used and Christensen is not.

Moton and Paradis are locked in starters. Erving and Elflein are the only other OL making more than $1.6M a year and the only non-rookie deal OL with more than a year on their contract. They are averaging $4.5-5M a year or 3-5 times the salary of the non-locks. They are pencilled in as starters on the left and Daley or Miller is pencilled in at RG. Tucker for the Jets was taken in the 1st, he’s an assumed starter. None of our rookies are yet. Again, really simple.

Also, LOL at hedging. Hedging what? Is there a bet on this. Would I somehow be wrong about something? This is a preseason ranking based on current starters. Their numbers are correct based on our current assumed starters. Answer this riddle? Is Christensen the starter? Could he be a starter later on in the season? Amazing how easy that is and amazing how worked up you are getting trying to act like this means something and is anything more than PFF taking last years rankings for the starting 5 and saying here’s what we think.

I gotta be honest thats a lot of words, sorry I'm not reading all that.

Under RR, I'd agree with you.  Vets and investments start.  Those days are gone.

Is Ian Thomas our starting Tight End because he's paid more than Dan Arnold and Tremble this year?

 

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1 hour ago, SBBlue said:

I wonder if that was a priority in this draft class, some type of durability measure based on number of starts/injuries etc.

 

IMO, yes. I didn't see many guys outside Horn that I would consider starting quality but I see a lot of guys that will bolster the depth.

That is one underappreciated issue we had last season. Make no mistake, that was likely the least talented roster to ever play for the Panthers. A lot of that was the depth. Once you got past our starters(some of which were of dubio7s quality anyway), the absolute bottom fell out. 

I think that improved substantially this offseason. 

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4 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

I gotta be honest thats a lot of words, sorry I'm not reading all that.

Under RR, I'd agree with you.  Vets and investments start.  Those days are gone.

Is Ian Thomas our starting Tight End because he's paid more than Dan Arnold and Tremble this year?

 

Again, Arnold’s making $3M a year which is more than Thomas. You can’t just look at year 1 base salaries as the team is trying to minimize cap hits. Also, Thomas is getting almost $2M in CBA achievements. That salty isn’t his 4th round rookie deal. I’d say betting money is that the Panthers will save $2M and get rid of Thomas.

Too bad you didn’t read it, maybe we’d be done. You now are talking about Rivera and vets? They just took the likely starters dude. The same likely starters that we had a thread on in here that most people agreed with and contract is something we can use.

18 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Did you read  his post.   Some are underachieving and some are UNDERATED.

The pff score is a wildly inaccurate guess in a spreadsheet.  They don't even know who to grade or how to rate the rookies.  At this point it has no bearing in reality.

 

You didn’t really read @kungfoodude’s post. He said the exact same thing as me. You interpreted two of words as if he said they should be ranked higher. His opening statement is: I think we are a safe bet to rate very lowly before the season. We made some ho-hum signings in free agency and then we added predominately lower rated and lower drafted prospects.

That’s not what you are interpreting. You took two words when he basically said what I did that it’s not surprising we are ranked so low. We didn’t add anything to the starters and again PFF isn’t coming up with new calculations they are just using last year’s actual grades and probably dinging us a bit for having 3 new starters which isn’t usually a good thing. 

9 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

I’m not sure how you judge a line that’s never played together.

Until I see them suck I won’t get my panties twisted.

SMH, they are using last year’s PFF rankings for the likely starters and maybe adding some special sauce like deducting points because there are 3 new starters. Even though panties are getting wadded already, it’s a preseason ranking not a what’s your gut feel or how did they look in preseason.

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19 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

I’m not sure how you judge a line that’s never played together.

Until I see them suck I won’t get my panties twisted.

 

 So that puts you squarely in tier 2. The wait and see crowd. lol

 

It's easier that way. You get to watch the 1s, and 3s duke it out. And just enjoy the Huddle for what it is. Entertainment.

 

Myself? I'm a 3. A cockeyed optimist. 1+2=3.

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1 hour ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Vegas says our win total is 7.5 which Is average so I assume most smart people see the team/line as average. I trust that over PFF.

With 17 games, average would be 8.5.

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50 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Our WRs and RB are a strength. We added some nice additions to the young D that was right around average so our D is very likely considered a strength now. Our OL and QB are the biggest question marks. Not every part of the team is average.

I agree with PFF on our OL ranking. We have Moton and honestly a lot of hope. Hope for rookies to take over and hope that Erving and Elflein play well. When 4 of the 5 spots are rated an average of mid 50s, that’s a bad OL. It would be like having two Tre Boston’s and two Juston Burris’ on the OL with Moton based on how they were ranked last year. That’s not a bottom OL? I think Darnold will improve so I’d say OL is the worst part of our team and the worst part of a 7.5 - 9.5 team is going to be ranked at the bottom.

Not sure if you have surfed this place recently but the sunshine squad is throwing hissy fits at just about any inkling of criticism or thought process that doesn't include everyone on the roster as an All Pro.

You know, standard extremist thought in the modern age? One of these fuging idiots last night kept repeating some poo like "never give up, fight the good fight" or some such drivel.

Remember when you could just debate competing points and not have people lose their minds?

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