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Chris Simms: People have caught on to the Panthers offense.

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11 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Clearly pointing out the obvious stuff…still we have to work on this

I think you are missing the point. Brady is talented but inexperienced. Sam is an arm and his mind is a complete liability and has been. One of these will succeed eventually and the other is wasted picks, cap and time.

I just found it funny that Simms is talking about Darnold like Simms played and performs as an analyst.

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Just now, Waldo said:

I think you are missing the point. Brady is talented but inexperienced. Sam is an arm and his mind is a complete liability and has been. One of these will succeed eventually and the other is wasted picks, cap and time.

I just found it funny that Simms is talking about Darnold like Simms played and performs as an analyst.

Yeah…I have not sold out on Sam yet.  He has played a few bad games here. He deserves more time.

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3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Yeah…I have not sold out on Sam yet.  He has played a few bad games here. He deserves more time.

Sam is a vet next year, that is BS and you know it. Sam's issue is his brain. Just not good enough. If it was the 70's he could be an amazing Bradshaw, not today. In 3 years he will be lucky to be a backup given his 1st 4 years. Noone in their right mind would rely or bet on him at this point.

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3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Sam is a vet next year, that is BS and you know it. Sam's issue is his brain. Just not good enough. If it was the 70's he could be an amazing Bradshaw, not today. In 3 years he will be lucky to be a backup given his 1st 4 years. Noone in their right mind would rely or bet on him at this point.

Sticking by Sam right now.  And it won’t get better with this OL but we will see.  He needs a legitimate chance

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9 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Sticking by Sam right now.  And it won’t get better with this OL but we will see.  He needs a legitimate chance

Even when they blocked for him he still underperformed. It's his 4th year. Different coach, team and still he is exactly the same player. Sam is the exact same as the oline, physically talented yet reliably underperforming. Same difference. Might as well blame the oline failure on Sam's inability to QB. He can't run or play in an NFL offense in his 4th year, it's not a good bet that he ever will even as a backup at this point.

Sam just isn't a hill worth fighting over. I'm just hoping for fun Defense at this point the rest of the year before they are gassed.

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3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Even when they blocked for him he still underperformed. It's his 4th year. Different coach, team and still he is exactly the same player. Sam is the exact same as the oline, physically talented yet reliably underperforming. Same difference. Might as well blame the oline failure on Sam's inability to QB. He can't run or play in an NFL offense in his 4th year, it's not a good bet that he ever will even as a backup at this point.

Sam just isn't a hill worth fighting over. I'm just hoping for fun Defense at this point the rest of the year before they are gassed.

Yeah, the defense is still fun to watch. Maybe if Rhule takes over playcalling we can run the fug out of the ball and just simply not let Darnold fug it up for them.

All we really need to do is play the field position game and give our defense some rest.

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38 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This is the second former NFL QB breaking down film pointing out that Sam Darnold is messing up the absolute simplest of things. Simms here is basically suggesting what I have been for awhile - Brady is drastically dialing back his offense because of the QB. Teddy was very physically limited, but he didn't require a coloring book for a playbook and that's why the overall offense was considerably better last year. We haven't actually seen Brady's offense yet because we haven't had a QB yet.

I think we have seen his inability to manage an offense and put one together that makes the best use of the players he has. 

He's got great ideas, I'm sure. He just sucks at coordinating an offense that works with the tools he has. His offensive scheme depends on him being in an ideal situation with an ideal QB. That's not what he's got and he's got to figure out how to make it work. 

Imo, his inability to do that just shows he's weak as an OC and why he'll suck as a HC if he gets the gig. He can't adapt.

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2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, the defense is still fun to watch. Maybe if Rhule takes over playcalling we can run the fug out of the ball and just simply not let Darnold fug it up for them.

All we really need to do is play the field position game and give our defense some rest.

Sounds like Ron ball but maybe. It's just that Rhule is as inexperienced, maybe more so on that side of play. Brady has the talent, he is just vastly inexperienced to be an NFL OC. Rhule more so, maybe but I need to see that to belive it. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I am a bit skeptical Rhule is an upgrade. What this staff is lacking is experience, not projected ability.

Giving up hope Sam is more than a liability would be a big step forward. We heard it last week and now this back to basics stuff. Well, prove it. Otherwise it's just making Brady into a scapegoat and setting Rhule up for a brutal reality check.

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18 minutes ago, rayzor said:

I think we have seen his inability to manage an offense and put one together that makes the best use of the players he has. 

He's got great ideas, I'm sure. He just sucks at coordinating an offense that works with the tools he has. His offensive scheme depends on him being in an ideal situation with an ideal QB. That's not what he's got and he's got to figure out how to make it work. 

Imo, his inability to do that just shows he's weak as an OC and why he'll suck as a HC if he gets the gig. He can't adapt.

Eh, I am not gonna say that he cannot improve or get better. Everyone wanted Sean McVay but his meteoric rise is the exception and not the rule. Brady has a total of 2 years of NFL coaching experience prior to getting this OC gig. This job was probably just a bridge too far at this stage in his career.

It's entirely possible that in 5-10 years Joe Brady is a great OC and a great HC candidate. 

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11 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Sounds like Ron ball but maybe. It's just that Rhule is as inexperienced, maybe more so on that side of play. Brady has the talent, he is just vastly inexperienced to be an NFL OC. Rhule more so, maybe but I need to see that to belive it. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer but I am a bit skeptical Rhule is an upgrade. What this staff is lacking is experience, not projected ability.

Giving up hope Sam is more than a liability would be a big step forward. We heard it last week and now this back to basics stuff. Well, prove it. Otherwise it's just making Brady into a scapegoat and setting Rhule up for a brutal reality check.

Rhule was the OC at Temple while he was HC, so he actually has more experience than Brady does. As to if he is an upgrade....eh....I get the feeling like we will soon find out. 

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