Charlotte city counsel rezones pipe and foundry site.

[SizzleBuzz]

14 hours ago, Panthera onca said:

If he really does build a stadium with an entertainment district full of restaurants and bars around it, the tax revenue for Char/Meck will be worth whatever $$ the city puts into the project. The stadium in Glendale would be a good example to look towards.

Glendale?

That stadium is approaching 20-years old...

[Panthercougar68]

3 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Glendale?

That stadium is approaching 20-years old...

The whole area around that stadium is what they are talking about not the stadium it self. There is a complex next-door to Glendale that has Entertainment and food that would be near the size if Concord Mills mall. 

[SizzleBuzz]

3 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

The whole area around that stadium is what they are talking about not the stadium it self. There is a complex next-door to Glendale that has Entertainment and food that would be near the size if Concord Mills mall. 

How much Arizona land is involved?

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[Panthercougar68]

1 minute ago, SizzleBuzz said:

How much land is involved?

I can't judge but if you know the stadium area very well it would be everything around Cedar St towards 77 worth. 

[SizzleBuzz]

8 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

I can't judge but if you know the stadium area very well it would be everything around Cedar St towards 77 worth. 

Gotcha.

Think my question was poorly worded...

..."Glendale" was held out as an example of what could be, just wondered how much land was involved there?

Seems odd that a complex approaching 20yrs old as cited as something to emulate, seems like  they'll be hankering to tear that one down soon? 

[Panthera onca]

2 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

Gotcha.

Think my question was poorly worded...

..."Glendale" was held out as an example of what could be, just wondered how much land was involved there?

Seems odd that a complex approaching 20yrs old as cited as something to emulate, seems like  they'll be hankering to tear that one down soon? 

PantherCougar is correct, I was referencing the entertainment complex around the stadium as something I think Tepper wants to emulate. There are acres and acres of bars and restaurants around the stadium. The revenue from that would be endless for whoever owns the land and also for the tax collector. The stadium itself is still pretty sweet as well.

[PanthersATL]

Probably looking at other stadium/mixed-use areas like the Braves stadium in Atlanta, where The Battery has seen some success of being able to draw people when games aren't happening.

Making an entertainment district around the stadium increases generic walkability scores (which are viewed positively by urban-planners), and can also provide for additional options pre- and post-game to help spread out the timing of vehicle traffic that tends to jam up the roads uptown for a few hours.

 

[SizzleBuzz]

6 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

There are acres and acres of bars and restaurants around the stadium.

What's the total acreage of the entire thing?

[Panthera onca]

9 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

What's the total acreage of the entire thing?

Wiki says 223 acres

[SizzleBuzz]

29 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Wiki says 223 acres

CP&F land site is only 55 acres.

Was reading up on the Glendale complex, looks like a fun place but they have had serious parking issues since the beginning because the city welched on a promise to provide 11,000 spots...

...11,000 parking spots would eat 45 acres alone.

Edited December 22, 2021 by SizzleBuzz

[PanthersATL]

18 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

...11,000 parking spots would eat 45 acres alone.

Sure, if you're not building as a parking deck - if we're using the same math of 1 acre of land = 242 parking spaces.

Let's say for a parking deck, 1 acre could handle 150 parking spaces (giving add't clearance for ramps and support.  Let's make the parking deck 4 square acres (or 600 spaces per level).  That's just your everyday, normal 18 story parking structure.

More realistically, it'll probably be 10 acres -- making that 1,500 spaces per level, or a 10 story parking deck. Build some of that below ground vs above ground OR build more than one -- and it's not as terrible as it seems to look at.

it might be a pain to drive around in, but it could work given different configurations.

Disclaimer: "math"

 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

On 12/20/2021 at 8:03 PM, 4Corners said:

I’m all for a brand new stadium uptown as long as Tepper pays for it himself 

You know he won’t 

[PanthersATL]

6 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

You know he won’t 

Could be less expensive than the coach/QB contracts he's been handing out lately.  

[SizzleBuzz]

28 minutes ago, PanthersATL said:

More realistically, it'll probably be 10 acres -- making that 1,500 spaces per level, or a 10 story parking deck. Build some of that below ground vs above ground OR build more than one -- and it's not as terrible as it seems to look at.

A 10-acre/10-story parking deck --- wow, that would be something. 

Tailgating "below ground" doesn't sound like much fun...