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Justin Fields 61 yard rushing touchdown

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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

I was golfing with my bears buddies today... they are just as flat as us... they hated the claypool trade (i actually liked it) and want to shop Fields in the offseason because they believe his stock wont get an higher.

I remember people saying it was crazy to think Michael Vick wasn't a great quarterback.

Fields might be better than Vick but the bottom line is that no matter how great a runner any quarterback is, they will succeed or fail based on how well they can pass.

People have been trying to convince me that was gonna change since 2000. It still hasn't.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I remember people saying it was crazy to think Michael Vick wasn't a great quarterback.

Fields might be better than Vick but the bottom line is that no matter how great a runner any quarterback is, they will succeed or fail based on how well they can pass.

People have been trying to convince me that was gonna change since 2000. It still hasn't.

It's just not how the NFL works. Too much speed and too many defensive schemes.

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Just now, TheCasillas said:

It's just not how the NFL works. Too much speed and too many defensive schemes.

You can succeed with a "be the offense" quarterback at the college level, but not in the pros.

The whole notion that you can just draft a super athletic guy and teach him all the skills he needs to become a passer is a formula for failure.

Give me a guy who already understands how to pass. I don't give a sh-t if he's as athletic as Michael Vick or as big a statue as Dan Marino.

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28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can succeed with a "be the offense" quarterback at the college level, but not in the pros.

The whole notion that you can just draft a super athletic guy and teach him all the skills he needs to become a passer is a formula for failure.

Give me a guy who already understands how to pass. I don't give a sh-t if he's as athletic as Michael Vick or as big a statue as Dan Marino.

what if .... one day there is a player that can do both at Elite levels? How insane would that be? Like a Vick meets Mahomes type...

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Young was, in my opinion, the best true dual threat of all time.

 

6 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

he has 3 rings to validate that. 

I would classify Young as more of a mobile QB than a legit dual threat QB, and he's really not known for changing the game. It was a different era where the rushing numbers really pale in comparison to what has gone on in today's NFL. 

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57 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

only posting this because it cant be ignored.

 

 

I was golfing with my bears buddies today... they are just as flat as us... they hated the claypool trade (i actually liked it) and want to shop Fields in the offseason because they believe his stock wont get an higher.

Claypool trade gives them a second two. Look online and the overwhelming majority of Bears fans believe they have their guy. Anyone thinking they should shop him is in the super super minute minority. Even Reddit which is a cesspool is mostly all in on him now. 

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

I would classify Young as more of a mobile QB than a legit dual threat QB, and he's really not known for changing the game. It was a different era where the rushing numbers really pale in comparison to what has gone on in today's NFL. 

Over his career he ran about 5-6 times per game... in that era of football that was a running QB. You can't compare him to today's football. Especially if you didnt grow up watching that era of football due to the context.

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1 minute ago, Varking said:

Claypool trade gives them a second two. Look online and the overwhelming majority of Bears fans believe they have their guy. Anyone thinking they should shop him is in the super super minute minority. Even Reddit which is a cesspool is mostly all in on him now. 

1. What do you mean "gives them a second two?" 
2. Why would I look online when I am just sharing a story of my afternoon with die hard bears fans?

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5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I would classify Young as more of a mobile QB than a legit dual threat QB, and he's really not known for changing the game. It was a different era where the rushing numbers really pale in comparison to what has gone on in today's NFL. 

Young was a passer first but also a pretty dangerous runner. As such, he was a true dual threat.

A lot of guys who get called dual threats really aren't.

 

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