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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's just PFF-esque brain rot IMO. I just watch football. I don't really care about whatever arbitrary rating someone or some system comes up with. My eyes told me Rodgers didn't look good tonight and he threw a god awful late INT that cost his team the game.

I didn't watch any of Howell, so I have no basis for any comparison other than a box score.

If he gets to play some meaningful football next season then perhaps we will have some idea about his NFL future.

Usage rate looks a little Darnold-esque. 

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11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I didn't watch any of Howell, so I have no basis for any comparison other than a box score.

If he gets to play some meaningful football next season then perhaps we will have some idea about his NFL future.

Usage rate looks a little Darnold-esque. 

Typical Rivera offense. Run 1st down, run 2nd down, throw on 3rd and long then if you do somehow build a decent lead go ahead and run on 3rd and long too. Howell bailed them out on several third downs. A couple running, another on a though cross body throw while scrambling. Should've connected on another deep bomb but the receiver let up for some reason, ball was a dime. Another 3rd down McLaurin dropped a perfectly thrown ball at the sticks where he had room to run to boot. Made some good decisions with a couple of throwaways and sliding when scrambling. Only really bad play was a pick in the endzone. Ron addressed that and basically said Howell tried to finesse it instead of sling the thing like he knows he can do. It was a low percentage shot that should've been to the corner where either his guy got it or no one got it.

He looked damn good from a traits perspective. The arm talent looked damn good on an NFL field vs. starters. The wheels looked good. The Commanders have something to work with. Wish we did

 

 

 

 

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https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/offensive-rookie-year-odds/

OROY is looking super close this year, there were a lot of really solid performances, no breakout stars but a few close ones.  Pierce was a clear frontrunner as he was at 950 rushing before getting injured those last 4 weeks, but that changed it up. 

You've got:

Garrett Wilson, Kenneth Walker, Chris Olave, Brock Purdy, Christian Watson, Isiah Pacheco, Tyler Allgeier

I'd say those 7 all have some arguments.  Can confidently say Pickett, Pickens, B Rob, & White won't get it.

As much as I dislike ATL, Allgeier really showed some stuff down the stretch, ended up with a 1000 yard season.

But think it comes down to Wilson & Walker, I'd give it to Wilson but betting odds are favoring Walker.  What Wilson & Olave were able to do with their respective QB situations is impressive.  In SEA, I'd just as much give the OROY to the entire rookie unit of Cross, Lucas, & Walker.  Abe Lucas ended up being a real find.  

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