Matt moore very likely to start

[Zod]

I wouldn't argue with that. We have some big decisions to make at quarterback next year and we need to see what we have. But perhaps that is because most of us have conceded this season and are looking ahead. Fox is in a fight for his job and may only be looking at this one week at a time.

Maybe once we are mathematically out of the playoffs.

[panthers55]

Possibly true, but in your comment about Jake you made it sound like a "simple" decision when it is far from simple, imo. The Jake decision has factors involved which I'm quite sure we on this board will never know completely.

I do agree with comments that Godfrey played better this week and Martin played well but was not head and shoulders above but again it proves the point that these decisions are far from simple.

Did anyone see Merriweather play in that first half of the Saints/Pats game? He was awesome early and then came out flat and got beat several times. If ever a platoon system makes sense it is at the safety position and with two quality starters I hope they recognize that.

As I said earlier, I think the quarterback position is more cut and dry in that if Moore plays well I think he will be the starter. As for free safety, I wouldn't be surprised to see both of them get playing time. Which if you compare that to the quarterback is different. The QB is usually the only guy that doesn't get substituted unless he is hurt or playing poorly. And for most teams they are reluctant to replace him.

[PntherPryd]

If they do pull him, why start Jake? I would rather see Feeley or even Cantwell in there. At least there would be an upside, to see how those guys look in our scheme.

Delhomme just needs to be put on IR so we can bring up someone from the PS and try them out for next season. He is taking up space at this point. :frown2:

Fox won't deal with "If's" but to be honest "IF" Moore sucked or went down and "IF" Jake was healthy I would not have a problem with starting him over any other qb on the roster. Feeley and Cantwell are not viable starters for next year so who cares about auditioning them?

People scoff at the notion of starting the guy who gives us the "best chance to win" but in this case it would be true and any win to knock the niners down a slot or two would make me happy!

[panthers55]

Martin's picks isn't what made him better than Godfrey. Totally ingnoring the plays where Martin got his 3 picks.....he simply looked twice as good as anything Godfrey has ever shown.

Godfrey's pick also means nothing. The fact he was out of position way too many times on Sunday is why he isn't a S...Carolina was also lucky he was asked to demonstrate his inability to make a tackle last week also. The fact you find ways to spin Fox giving Godfrey the job back as a good thing/defendable thing......just further proves no matter what Fox does you will spin it to be a smart thing. Are you his wife or something?

Fox doesn't care who is better.....that has been proven. Jake's injury is the only thing keeping him off the field. Once it has healed enough and Jake says he wants to play....Fox will play him. How Matt Moore plays doesn't matter. Jake wasn't benched......he was hurt. People lose there jobs when they are hurt....better talent doesn't get jobs from guys Fox has committed to when they can play.

To our untrained eye Martin has looked better. But the difference is that we see what happened not what coverage that was called or what should have happened. For example Martin could be totally out of position and not where he needed to be and the ball gets thrown to his side even though there is an uncovered man somewhere else who Martin should have been covering. So Martin although out of position gets the pick, does he get credit for the good play or yelled at for missing the right read. There is the case where they will be glad for the pick but he wouldn't get much credit because he wasn't where he needed to be. I am not saying that happened simply that there is often a difference between what happens and what should happen.

As for Jake lets see what happens. You can speculate all day that Jake will or will not play. I prefer to see what happens then analyze that versus making speculation about what might happen. So far Moore is likely to start this week. Lets see how he plays before deciding what we see against the Vikings.

As for Fox doing what he does and making decisions, he certainly isn't stupid and has a winning record to prove it which is better than a lot of coaches. So if he thinks a certain guy should play, he has that right. I think someone who is there everyday probably knows more than a casual fan who watches the game on Sunday. And I don't need to defend him as if your or my opinion means a hill of beans.

[CRA]

To our untrained eye Martin has looked better. But the difference is that we see what happened not what coverage that was called or what should have happened. For example Martin could be totally out of position and not where he needed to be and the ball gets thrown to his side even though there is an uncovered man somewhere else who Martin should have been covering. So Martin although out of position gets the pick, does he get credit for the good play or yelled at for missing the right read. There is the case where they will be glad for the pick but he wouldn't get much credit because he wasn't where he needed to be. I am not saying that happened simply that there is often a difference between what happens and what should happen.

As for Jake lets see what happens. You can speculate all day that Jake will or will not play. I prefer to see what happens then analyze that versus making speculation about what might happen. So far Moore is likely to start this week. Lets see how he plays before deciding what we see against the Vikings.

As for Fox doing what he does and making decisions, he certainly isn't stupid and has a winning record to prove it which is better than a lot of coaches. So if he thinks a certain guy should play, he has that right. I think someone who is there everyday probably knows more than a casual fan who watches the game on Sunday. And I don't need to defend him as if your or my opinion means a hill of beans.

seriously, is there anything Fox could do that you wouldn't defend and spin? Just b/c Fox is an NFL head coach doesn't mean he doesn't have his own bias about things or obvious flaws. You don't have to be behind the scenes to be able to see the obvious.......

NFL scouts aren't behind the scenes when looking at college kids......college scouts aren't behind the scenes when looking at high school kids....regardless of what level of football you are talking about you CAN in fact tell a lot by simply watching a football game. Just b/c a coach does one thing...you can't always defend them using the excuse of "well, you aren't in practice or behind the scenes and therefore your eyes are probably lying to you" even though it looks like a glaring mistake.

[panthers55]

seriously, is there anything Fox could do that you wouldn't defend and spin? Just b/c Fox is an NFL head coach doesn't mean he doesn't have his own bias about things or obvious flaws. You don't have to be behind the scenes to be able to see the obvious.......

NFL scouts aren't behind the scenes when looking at college kids......college scouts aren't behind the scenes when looking at high school kids....regardless of what level of football you are talking about you CAN in fact tell a lot by simply watching a football game. Just b/c a coach does one thing...you can't always defend them using the excuse of "well, you aren't in practice or behind the scenes and therefore your eyes are probably lying to you" even though it looks like a glaring mistake.

Is that anything that Fox would do that you won't criticize as if you have any credibility at all. Other than being argumentative, what crendentials do you have to have an informed opinion about football at all. And yes you do have to be behind the scenes to know anything that goes on. What appears obvious to you may not be close to reality. And anyone associated with football will agree. Pat Kirwin who is someone I do believe knows what he is talking about often comments that unless you see game film or coaches tape, what you see on Sunday isn't close to giving you an accurate picture of what really went on. All you see is the score and the results of the play. But you don't see what was supposed to happen and even who blew an assignment. For example look at the Jake interception that bounced off Smitty's leg. The aanouncers said it was Jake's fault since Moose was the hot read and Smitty was going down the field. Smitty then says later he was supposed to slant and missed it. What you saw was a Jake mistake but it wasn't apparently on him. So what appeared obvious wasn't.

And the reason I use that logic is that the supposed experts all agree on that. Should I ignore them and believe a guy like you who might not have a passing knowledge of even the basics.

[KARASMATIC444]

that int was a gimme...but the pass breakup of kellen winslow was good

this

[CRA]

Is that anything that Fox would do that you won't criticize as if you have any credibility at all. Other than being argumentative, what crendentials do you have to have an informed opinion about football at all. And yes you do have to be behind the scenes to know anything that goes on. What appears obvious to you may not be close to reality. And anyone associated with football will agree. Pat Kirwin who is someone I do believe knows what he is talking about often comments that unless you see game film or coaches tape, what you see on Sunday isn't close to giving you an accurate picture of what really went on. All you see is the score and the results of the play. But you don't see what was supposed to happen and even who blew an assignment. For example look at the Jake interception that bounced off Smitty's leg. The aanouncers said it was Jake's fault since Moose was the hot read and Smitty was going down the field. Smitty then says later he was supposed to slant and missed it. What you saw was a Jake mistake but it wasn't apparently on him. So what appeared obvious wasn't.

And the reason I use that logic is that the supposed experts all agree on that. Should I ignore them and believe a guy like you who might not have a passing knowledge of even the basics.

Not true.

your look routine that nobody outside of John Fox , his staff and his players has any clue about anything that falls under the umbrella of Panther football is lame.

per you, Jake doesn't suck. We as fans don't have the ability to determine if his play is good or bad. We are uninformed and have no knowledge of the game of football to judge Jake on any level. Only thing we can do is listen to Fox and what he does......b/c that is the only truth.

that is whack logic. Sure, there are plenty of things that you only know if you have the benefit of knowing playcalls and responsibilities of an insider.....I don't argue that. But you don't have to be an insider to see flaws and basic fundamental problems 55.........All football minds don't agree you need coaches tape or inside knowledge to evaluate some very basic flaws of the game and some positions.

don't need coaches tape to see Jake can't hit certain throws any more....don't need coaches tape to see Godfrey hasn't been able to tackle since he arrived in the league.

[panthers55]

Not true.

your look routine that nobody outside of John Fox , his staff and his players has any clue about anything that falls under the umbrella of Panther football is lame.

per you, Jake doesn't suck. We as fans don't have the ability to determine if his play is good or bad. We are uninformed and have no knowledge of the game of football to judge Jake on any level. Only thing we can do is listen to Fox and what he does......b/c that is the only truth.

that is whack logic. Sure, there are plenty of things that you only know if you have the benefit of knowing playcalls and responsibilities of an insider.....I don't argue that. But you don't have to be an insider to see flaws and basic fundamental problems 55.........All football minds don't agree you need coaches tape or inside knowledge to evaluate some very basic flaws of the game and some positions.

When you can't use logic, you simply makes stuff up in order to win a point. I would say that knowledgeable football analysts, other coaches and a plethora of other folks could have a sense of what is going on with the Panthers. Why should you be on that list? What credilbility do you have?

And I doubt you would get anyone that is truly knowledgeable that would go out on a limb without watching film. Look at a guy like Jaws on MNF. He is generally thought of as knowledgeable especially about the quarterback position for example. He says he watches and breaks down film every week. The good ones do. You must be referring to the sports writiers and talking heads which is where you get your information.

That would explain it then.

My issue with you is that I don't believe you even know what a basic flaw is when you are looking at it. But don't feel bad most folks on here wouldn't either. I just laugh at the so-called experts like you who go on and on about what they know. At least I admit I am no expert and rely on those who are for my opinions. Somehow I think that puts me on safer ground.

[CRA]

When you can't use logic, you simply makes stuff up in order to win a point. I would say that knowledgeable football analysts, other coaches and a plethora of other folks could have a sense of what is going on with the Panthers. Why should you be on that list? What credilbility do you have?

And I doubt you would get anyone that is truly knowledgeable that would go out on a limb without watching film. Look at a guy like Jaws on MNF. He is generally thought of as knowledgeable especially about the quarterback position for example. He says he watches and breaks down film every week. The good ones do. You must be referring to the sports writiers and talking heads which is where you get your information.

That would explain it then.

My issue with you is that I don't believe you even know what a basic flaw is when you are looking at it. But don't feel bad most folks on here wouldn't either. I just laugh at the so-called experts like you who go on and on about what they know. At least I admit I am no expert and rely on those who are for my opinions. Somehow I think that puts me on safer ground.

you use extremes and apply them across the board. What "inside" knowledge or resume doI need to see basic fundamentals with my own eyes? Are you telling me people on this board can't evaluate based on games that Jake can't hit certain throws any longer or Godfrey can't tackle????

Like I said, yes...there are many things I can't know about Carolina without having access to things that only coaches/players/ and certain other indivduals have......I don't argue that.

It is lame that you think a fan can't watch a game and see basic fundamentals that are wrong.......

I am not an expert....there is plenty of stuff I don't know....however, I do know Godfrey has a problem tackling and in coverage....you don't need game film to see that....you also don't need game film to see Jake underthrows or overthrows his routine stuff to open players.....

but keep acting like you know everything and those on the board who form opinions that might go against Fox are clueless.....you obviously miss some very basic stuff about the game. Did you play? Please explain to me what I have said incorrectly about Jake or Godfrey? or Martin?

[Mr. Scot]

To my untrained eye Martin played better. I know about the "don't lose your job to an injury" precedence but that assumes the starter is normally the better player. In this case they must be seeing something else on coaching film to keep Godfrey in there. Because there is also the player who gives us the best change to win element which seems to be at odds with Godfrey playing. Although with the pick he made last week the case could be made that the time off has helped him.

I don't really know at this point.

I get what you mean, but I think the something that he's seeing is an illusion (or more rightly, poor judgment).

This is a running trend with Fox. He always seems to believe that the more experienced guy is automatically better even when evidence shows otherwise, and there were already loads of examples even before this one.

Maybe once we are mathematically out of the playoffs.

That could also be the point where Fox is out of a job.

With that in mind, I doubt he evaluates future players for the next guy. I think he keeps his starters in a last gasp effort to save his job.

[Mr. Scot]

Maybe once we are mathematically out of the playoffs.

That could also be the point where Fox is out of a job.

With that in mind, I doubt he evaluates future players for the next guy. I think he keeps his starters in a last gasp effort to save his job.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Look at a guy like Jaws on MNF. He is generally thought of as knowledgeable especially about the quarterback position for example. He says he watches and breaks down film every week.

Jaws has professed how much he likes Moore several times in the past.

[schermy01]

I don't know if his injury is real or not, but I found it strange that I didn't see Delhomme on the sidelines at all during the Tampa Bay game. You'd think he'd be there, even if he had to wear a cast on his finger. Kind of strange that he wasn't, or maybe I just couldn't find him.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/08/moore-should-get-the-call-again-for-carolina/

apparently this injury is more serious then most of us expected, i guess....?