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What has Scott Fitterer done right?


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6 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Among the talking heads, sure it happens every year.  I've been in this boat for only two seasons prior.  I was willing to give Teddy a shot was lukewarm about Darnold.  When we brought in Sam is when I started sniffing around drafting a QB.

People were looking at Willis, Howell, and Corral and they were told wait until next year.  Next year's class looks loaded!  Stroud, Young, AR, (Van Dyke was named but disappointed) etc....

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25 minutes ago, Stuart Smith said:


To be fair, if Sam Howell turns into an all pro it will not be on Fitterer, but Fitterer and 31 other General Managers. It is still mighty early to come to any conclusions about the success of these young quarterbacks. 

Of course its on Fitt since he traded up for MC a round earlier.  How the fug do you A)misevaluate that badly and B)not pick him when he falls to you when your whole mantra is "keep throwing darts"?

 

going into the 2022 a qb was needed badly, everyone knew this so I imagine the qbs were scouted with even more diligence but yet you land on Corral who you say you had a first round grade on him.  Yeah man that falls squarely on fitt. 

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11 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

Because by waiting on the qb, we could have kept DJ AND drafted a skill player too. Pick up the qb in '24 and we are in pretty good shape. 

That's assuming one falls to our pick in 24.  If there is a prospect we want we would have to trade up for him more thank likely.  That leaves 2 years left of Moore's contract 1 of which would be on our QB's rookie year.  Not to mention Corbet would have to be replaced in 24 as well.  Our OL is seasoned (well it was before injuries) and our defense has some young talent.  It's a decent time to add a QB to develop.

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

People were looking at Willis, Howell, and Corral and they were told wait until next year.  Next year's class looks loaded!  Stroud, Young, AR, (Van Dyke was named but disappointed) etc....

Wilis and Corral, lol?  Howell has yet to be seen over an entire season, but has been okay so far with a small sample size.

Question, have you even looked at next year's QB class.  While being sarcastic, you are right, it really is loaded.

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

That's assuming one falls to our pick in 24.  If there is a prospect we want we would have to trade up for him more thank likely.  That leaves 2 years left of Moore's contract 1 of which would be on our QB's rookie year.  Not to mention Corbet would have to be replaced in 24 as well.  Our OL is seasoned (well it was before injuries) and our defense has some young talent.  It's a decent time to add a QB to develop.

we were on an accelerated timeline due to the constant fug ups in acquiring or trying to acquire a franchise guy.  We simply had to get someone in the 2023 draft. 

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1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Wilis and Corral, lol?  Howell has yet to be seen over an entire season, but has been okay so far with a small sample size.

Question, have you even looked at next year's QB class.  While being sarcastic, you are right, it really is loaded.

Yeah at this time during the season people were looking at those 3 QBs.  Pickett had a breakout season.  A majority of the media had Willis as a first round pick (it was a bad miss and embarrassing as he showed up to the draft).  Hell before the season started people thought Rattler and Howell would be the top 2 picks.  

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we were on an accelerated timeline due to the constant fug ups in acquiring or trying to acquire a franchise guy.  We simply had to get someone in the 2023 draft. 

Agreed.  Head coaches and GMs don't like playing the constant game of wait until next year.  I'm sure it's one of the reasons Fitt rejected that loaded Rams trade for Burns.  He might not have enough years to even use those picks.  

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

Yeah at this time during the season people were looking at those 3 QBs.  Pickett had a breakout season.  A majority of the media had Willis as a first round pick (it was a bad miss and embarrassing as he showed up to the draft).  Hell before the season started people thought Rattler and Howell would be the top 2 picks.  

Not sure about the depth this year but I would bet dollars to donuts that if young, williams and maye were all in the same class Young would be ranked third.  Not that it means anything other then williams and maye are legit top shelf prospects

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah at this time during the season people were looking at those 3 QBs.  Pickett had a breakout season.  A majority of the media had Willis as a first round pick (it was a bad miss and embarrassing as he showed up to the draft).  Hell before the season started people thought Rattler and Howell would be the top 2 picks.  

Never liked any of those dudes as prospects, personally.

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Just now, 45catfan said:

Never liked any of those dudes as prospects, personally.

I get that and I think (not 100%) you were one of the many people saying wait until next year with Stroud, Young, AR, Levis, we thought Penix and McCall would declare as well.  Well we did wait until the following year.  

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6 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

That's assuming one falls to our pick in 24.  If there is a prospect we want we would have to trade up for him more thank likely.  That leaves 2 years left of Moore's contract 1 of which would be on our QB's rookie year.  Not to mention Corbet would have to be replaced in 24 as well.  Our OL is seasoned (well it was before injuries) and our defense has some young talent.  It's a decent time to add a QB to develop.

From the pre-draft process article about Young...

Old free agents didn't seem to be the vibe. Not after the Panthers and Reich had spent most of the last five years cycling through rentals. The obvious call was to draft one, but picking ninth, there's no guarantee. And while there were some good ones who might be available in 2024 in UNC's Maye and Southern Cal's Caleb Williams, that seemed a little far down the road.

Because as good as Young was, the Bears ended up with the first pick despite having a decent young quarterback in Justin Fields. Their pick might be available. Waiting until next year would be more of a roll of the dice.

So the Panthers turned their thoughts to the now, and how to make now work.

"We've not won a bunch of games in the last few years," Reich said. "So how many years can you go? Can you keep putting off this thing to take your shot and get your guy? And part of the calculus is, do we have enough capital to be patient for another year? And then naturally, as a coach, you know, you're always optimistic. I mean, we're at nine right now. I'm sure I'm not planning on being lower than that next year.

"I mean, everybody knows, you always have to be playing that game. You're not just in this draft; you have to be looking out a year or two. But you also have to factor in how full is the gas tank. Or do we need to fill up right now?"

"The fact was, we felt so strongly about the quarterback this year, right?" Fitterer said. "Like, even in our February meetings, where every scout had the same opinion on this guy. It never really changed. It just kind of held strong that way, right? That reinforced that we're doing the right thing."

Fitterer and the scouts thought a certain way in January. A new staff of coaches rolls in in February, and they initially think the same thing. The more they learned, the more sure they became.

They had conviction. 

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7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we were on an accelerated timeline due to the constant fug ups in acquiring or trying to acquire a franchise guy.  We simply had to get someone in the 2023 draft. 

^^^This.  Noting against Bryce and I hope he ends up being our guy for the next 10 years, but man I wish we held our water for one more year, especially if he doesn't pan out.

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3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not sure about the depth this year but I would bet dollars to donuts that if young, williams and maye were all in the same class Young would be ranked third.  Not that it means anything other then williams and maye are legit top shelf prospects

Williams without a doubt, Maye wouldn't have enough film IMO to tell for sure.  If Sanders declares he might be a top pick as well.  Williams' father already said he might stay another year if needed which means if it's a terribly ran franchise like the Cards he might just stay at USC and collect more NIL money.

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