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Jackie Lee

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Dude, I'm not insulted, but just like I told another guy who conveniently used this exact same report, elite arm strength does NOT mean that Bryce has a noodle arm. It also doesn't mean that he has an "average" arm (that depends upon definition). I guess "good" velocity doesn't really mean "good," it means "average." Come on, dude. 

Now seriously, I gotta go to bed. No offense or insults meant or taken.

I never said he had a noodle. It’s just average. It’s not elite. 

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1 minute ago, Varking said:

I never said he had a noodle. It’s just average. It’s not elite. 

There's a baseball scale that some use for arm strength.  80-20 scale. 

Mahomes and the other elite arm QB's are a 70 or higher on the scale. Bryce Young's is measured between 40-50 on this scale.

Just to give some reference on his functional arm strength. 

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Just now, carpanfan96 said:

There's a baseball scale that some use for arm strength.  80-20 scale. 

Mahomes and the other elite arm QB's are a 70 or higher on the scale. Bryce Young's is measured between 40-50 on this scale.

Just to give some reference on his functional arm strength. 

As a former minor leaguer I appreciate your baseball scale 🙂

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I said pre-draft I was fine with Bryce, Stroud, or Richardson. I said that Bryce's arm was probably average at best but I convinced myself it was average. I was wrong. So far what we've seen is a well below average arm. We saw two plus arms tonight. That's an unfair comparison. But go watch the Goffs and Cousins of the world. That's NFL average. Bryce has considerably less arm talent than that based on what we've seen so far.

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11 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/bryce-young-qb-alabama-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10067920-nfl-coach-bryce-youngs-arm-unimpressive-compared-to-richardson-stroud-levis

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-combine-2023-analyzing-bryce-youngs-historically-slight-frame-and-whether-teams-should-be-concerned/

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bryce-young/3200594f-5512-4763-ab24-c1bd051ef0ef

"Deep throws come out flat and lose energy late. The deep ball is nothing special and his drive velocity fails to stand out, but he has enough arm strength to make the necessary throws."

I can keep going. Nothing revisionist here, just simply pointing out one of his weaknesses were his deep ball and arm velocity. 

It's literally listed as a weakness on each of these links. 

 

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I just think you aren’t understanding the argument. I can throw a football 50 yards as well. But when I do it mine has to hang a little longer because I don’t have a cannon for an arm. Players in baseball who throw 90 mph+ and players who can only throw 80 can both make a throw from center field to third base on the fly. But the guy who throws it 90+ can get it there faster. 

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2 minutes ago, Varking said:

I just think you aren’t understanding the argument. I can throw a football 50 yards as well. But when I do it mine has to hang a little longer because I don’t have a cannon for an arm. Players in baseball who throw 90 mph+ and players who can only throw 80 can both make a throw from center field to third base on the fly. But the guy who throws it 90+ can get it there faster. 

https://coolconversion.com/speed/60-mph-to-yd/second

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