Question for the Burns pocket watchers...

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Watching hockey now because it's more entertaining. I will watch the game on recording, watch a play, then fast forward. I'm not sitting through 3 hours of Panthers football right now. 

It's not about loyalty or causing trouble. I've never said Burns did any of those things. I'm not for trading him now because I don't think we're going to get remotely close to the offer we did for the Rams. I'm all for signing him to a reasonable deal. But right now, I don't think he brings elite edge position for the elite edge price. Again, as long as we can assemble a quality team, I don't care. You have to take emotion out of this. This is a business decision. Make the best business decision for the team. 

You went hockey, I just went with another Football team, just not the same football haha

I've become a seriously die hard fan of Wrexham since the documentary started last year, it's a lot of fun following them and watching every game this season, WAY more so than the Panthers.

[CamWhoaaCam]

12 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

It’s probably just the age we live in, and not winning…but I don’t recall a player as good as Burns being this poo on before by the fanbase. 
 

The pass rushing ability between him and the next edge on our roster is drastic, he’s a good dude, he gets better every year, causes no problems. He has elite edge size and length, and is still young and about to enter his prime. 
 

I’d love if he was also had DT like run stuffing ability, but it’s a hell of a lot easier finding run stuffers than pass rushers. Sure he misses some tackles, but that tackle he missed is often behind the line of scrimmage, and his penetration allows others tike to clean it up. 
 

He isn’t perfect. But damn he’s talented as fug and on an upward trajectory. 

I would love to see this pass rush without Burns. We already know it will be non factor. People just not in touch with reality. Everyone wants to be a Madden GM and get picks for players. Not understanding the value of a pass rusher.

 

If this was the Rams offer hell yeah sign me up for trading Burns. For a 1st round pick in which Fitt is in control of? Fug that!

[CamWhoaaCam]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Aren't you sick of the "we have no WR" topics?

Right now, at this moment, it's one or the other, we can put our money into Burns or we can put that into a WR.

Trading for Burns gives us the ammo to either draft a WR in the first or trade a first for a WR who wants a new contract (or hell, maybe both, if we get the 2 first rounders that come with the tag, we could take a WR with one and trade the other for a second if we really wanted to).

The people who want to trade Burns completely understand the negative affect of that, but we also know that the #1 priority for this franchise right now is developing Bryce, not building an elite pass rush.

We can do both. Smart franchises can make it work. Saints do it every year.

 

Who the hell are we even paying that we can't afford Higgins and Burns?

[KSpan]

36 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

How is overpaying Burns hurting this team?

 

We don't have any players worth paying big money to. It's like people don't even realize Burns might just be our best player. 

 

If we do trade Burns, who exactly on this roster do you even come to watch at games?

 

We already borderline unrecognizable Nationally. I seen a few in the Nat'l media mention Burns and Young but other than that most seem to not care about our other players. That is a big deal and it shows why this team is the worst team in football. We traded away all pro kind of talents in CMC and Moore. Can we at least keep Burns?

 

29 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't pay to watch a player. I pay to watch a team win. If overpaying Burns hurts the team overall, that's not something I want the team to do. I want the best team possible. 

This response pretty much sums it up. Players have to make the team better as a whole, nature of the business. Again, who cares if the media cares about players? Start winning and they'll start caring about who is on the roster.

 

 

32 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I care!

 

Do you realize that's why we suck?

Do you realize Burns is the best player on the team?

Do you realize good players are what makes a good team?

My goodness man do you understand you need star players to be a successful team. Who the hell wants a team full of nobodies. People in the Nat'l media can't even name players on your team because you suck so bad.

 

Why even watch football? Hell im already missed the last 2 games and only watched the 1st half this past Sunday. I just can't watch pathetic football. It's a waste of time.

No, we suck because the team is bad. We've sucked for years with 'homegrown stars', and Burns has been a part of that. How's it going with him on the team now? He's not a gamechanger and his game is one-dimensional, and the team has been pathetic for years with him on it.

In terms of watching, Tepper killed my passion years ago. I'm as apathetic as I've ever been, which is great for objectivity and not being tied to single players. If the team starts winning, the interest comes back. The best team in Panthers history did not have a Brian Burns on it and spreading that monetary and draft capital value out amongst multiple positions gives the team a better chance of winning.

Look at the Chiefs. They have Mahomes, Kelce... and who? Who else on that roster is a 'star'? No one, really, but they win, and therefore they're relevant since that's something you worry about. I live here in KC and sure, folks were bummed when Tyreek got traded and Mathieu didn't re-sign, but that Super Bowl last year sure made them forget.

Burns is not on that level, and any player that isn't is expendable. Hell, as they showed with Tyreek, even some that are are still expendable. Carolina needs that mindset.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

You went hockey, I just went with another Football team, just not the same football haha

I've become a seriously die hard fan of Wrexham since the documentary started last year, it's a lot of fun following them and watching every game this season, WAY more so than the Panthers.

I've been a hockey fan for a long time. Games are faster and I also have season tickets to our WHL club so I get an entire season for less than it costs for 4 to go to a single Panthers game at face value. 

[tukafan21]

Look at it this way, which of the following would you rather have, as they're very real opposite sides of the same coin scenarios.

Go into next season with.........

Burns and our WRs being Thielen, Mingo, and a $8-10 million #1 WR

or

2024 late round 1st pick pass rusher, WRs of Thielen, Mingo, and a Higgins level #1, cap room to spare, and likely another future 1st in our pocket

Is that really a hard decision?

You'd really rather go with the side that has Burns there while continuing to cut Bryce down at the knees by not giving him an elite pass catcher?

The best (and maybe only) way to get a true #1 WR next year is through a Burns trade, whether him for a WR or him for picks that will be used to trade for a WR.

If we re-sign Burns, I don't see a logical path to getting a true #1 WR next year, it's a simple as that with Burns right now.

[CamWhoaaCam]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This is yet again another classic case of you playing Madden GM and not real life NFL GM

You want all the players and positions filled with elite talent at once, something that can easily be done in Madden by gaming the system.  

But it just doesn't work that way in real life NFL when you're trying to re-build a depleted roster.  It gets done in stages over the course of a number of years.  

Never mentioned anything about other talent. This topic is about Burns yet you made it about something we are not even discussing.

 

Yeah I want a true #1 WR. Sorry if that's Madden GM then by all means label me as such. Back to the actual topic though...Burns

[CamWhoaaCam]

8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't want Scott Fitterer making another pick for the Panthers ever again. 

Amen brother!

[Johnstonny]

20 minutes ago, mickeye76 said:

Damn. That may have been the worst put down I've ever seen on this site. Mean. Just mean.  It's a calculated move to free up money and focus on FA because our next draft is going to be close to a non-factor. My other "fitt move" would be just take BPA in the second and NOT trade down to acquire more picks or trade away any players to acquire more picks. 

sorry bro...lol...have some rep...

[tukafan21]

6 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

We can do both. Smart franchises can make it work. Saints do it every year.

 

Who the hell are we even paying that we can't afford Higgins and Burns?

NO WE CAN'T!!!!!!!

Dude, this is literally the definition of what I've been saying about you, that is Madden thinking to assume we can do both this offseason.  

Yes, you can have both on a team, but you can't do both in one offseason without the necessary resources and available players to do it.

There isn't likely to be a true #1 WR available in FA this offseason, especially as Higgins likely will be tagged and traded.  To get one, we'll need to trade Burns or draft picks, and I'm not okay with trading another future first of our own to get one, not when we're this bad and looking at trading top 10 picks.

And hell, even if they don't tag Higgins, we won't be able to sign him if we tag and/or sign Burns to a monster $30+ million deal.

What the Saints do, is find ways to write their contracts and manipulate the cap to re-sign their own already good players, not to bring in elite talent as FA's, that's the difference in what you want us to do and what we actually can do.

This is the literal picture perfect example of why you don't understand how real life NFL teams function and view things from a Madden GM standpoint.

Edited October 30, 2023 by tukafan21

[ForJimmy]

So we could give Burns the 30 plus million a year and our cap will be that much tighter next year. We could extend Brown, Luvu, and sign a depth player for that kind of money. So which is worth more, Burns or Brown/Luvu/depth/1st round pick/3rd round pick. That’s assuming he is worth a 1st and 3rd. Since our roster has so many holes I think the Brown/Luvu plus draft picks makes more sense. 

[ThrillzforthePils]

26 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's a shame the new accounts are talking sense. Post more often my guy we need more like you.

Im tired of playing Madden trading all our stars for picks only for Fitt to screw it up.

Been here since 2012, but got a new name.  And I agree, picks don’t equal success.  Unfortunately free agents don’t either with fitts track record—but they should be much easier to hit on.

[CamWhoaaCam]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

NO WE CAN'T!!!!!!!

Dude, this is literally the definition of what I've been saying about you, that is Madden thinking to assume we can do both this offseason.  

Yes, you can have both on a team, but you can't do both in one offseason without the necessary resources and available players to do it.

There isn't likely to be a true #1 WR available in FA this offseason, especially as Higgins likely will be tagged and traded.  To get one, we'll need to trade Burns or draft picks, and I'm not okay with trading another future first of our own to get one, not when we're this bad and looking at trading top 10 picks.

What the Saints do, is find ways to write their contracts and manipulate the cap to re-sign their own already good players, not to bring in elite talent as FA's, that's the difference in what you want us to do and what we actually can do.

This is the literal picture perfect example of why you don't understand how real life NFL teams function and view things from a Madden GM standpoint.

This guy telling me we can't restructure contracts and make the money work to sign Burns and Tee Higgins.

 

Guy thinks we about to give Burns the Joe Burrow deal. Cmon guy you think you're smart in reality you just a fan pretending to be a real life GM. If we can't afford Burns and Higgins with the lack of talent and big contracts on this roster then we really are a shitshow of a franchise.

Im about to watch the Hornets game see you around Mr. TukafanGM

[uncfan888]

Luvu is more important to the defense right now. He should be paid first. Burns should have been sent packing last year but fitterer is incompetent and here we are