Raiders fire their leadership

[Castavar]

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

sounds eerily familiar

It looks even worse for them. Bisaccia actually got his team in the playoffs as an interim.

I will say this like I've said before, it wasn't the wrong move to move on from Wilks, it was the wrong move to hire a retread coach instead of a young promising offensive mind like Steichen (whom Tepper didn't like because of his zoom call lol). If we were just going to hire Reich, you should have just kept Wilks. We are in that Browns, Raiders, Cardinals tier of bad franchises now.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Tepper take notes!

From Mark Davis?

Oh, hell no

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Dave Ziegler, hired January 30th 2022...

Josh McDaniels, hired January 31st 2022

I've seen a couple of people talk about simultaneous hiring as if it were some kind of guarantee for success. 

It really isn't. McDaniels and Ziegler were hired together. Hell, they even had an extensive background of working together.

Hiring circumstances don't guarantee anything.

Thats the point, Davis made the hire not the GM.  Thats exactly what we are saying.  You need to pair them up and both have the same ideals and methods.  Does it always work, hell no but in theory its a good idea.  That way if a new gm comes in the head coach isnt immediately on the hot seat and vice versa

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats the point, Davis made the hire not the GM.  Thats exactly what we are saying.  

And if we clean house here, who's doing all the hiring?

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

And if we clean house here, who's doing all the hiring?

nicole

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

nicole

And that's an idea you're comfortable with? 

[TLGPanthersFan]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is what that approach gets you.

Football doesn't work like real world businesses, at least not established ones. It's closer to a start up that you have to get off the ground...repeatedly.

Firing coaches after one or two years and thinking that will make you a winner is pretty much like guaranteeing your wealth and success by buying a lottery ticket.

(Shrugs) Problem is I don’t think Reich will have any success in year two because I think he is a bad coach. 
But whatever, here to hoping the Panthers can be good in 2024 in spite of Reich. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TLGPanthersFan said:

(Shrugs) Problem is I don’t think Reich will have any success in year two because I think he is a bad coach. 
But whatever, here to hoping the Panthers can be good in 2024 in spite of Reich. 

Unless you've got some Urban Meyer style dysfunction going on behind the scenes, you're not gonna know something like that in just one year.

Plenty of coaches who turned out to be great got off to rough starts.

[jayboogieman]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And that's an idea you're comfortable with? 

Can't be much worse than what her husband has been doing, can it?

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And that's an idea you're comfortable with? 

Vs letting the same guy keep making catastrophic mistakes ie fitt, absolutely 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Vs letting the same guy keep making catastrophic mistakes ie fitt, absolutely 

Again...good luck with that

[joemac]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Dave Ziegler, hired January 30th 2022...

Josh McDaniels, hired January 31st 2022

I've seen a couple of people talk about simultaneous hiring as if it were some kind of guarantee for success. 

It really isn't. McDaniels and Ziegler were hired together. Hell, they even had an extensive background of working together.

Hiring circumstances don't guarantee anything.

They shoulda just kept Gruden. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, joemac said:

They shoulda just kept Gruden. 

Not sure it even matters. It's the Raiders

For what it's worth, Gruden had full control and a puppet GM but still ended up scapegoating him. Mind you, I'm not sure Mayock would have been any better on his own, but damn did he screw up a good broadcast career with that move.

Gruden, Mayock and Matt Millen are all examples of how it's easy to sound like you know it all until you're actually put to the test.

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

More info from the other firing today...

Haven't read all the details yet, but yhe story's being compared to the firing of Alan Williams earlier in the year, so apparently it's related to some kind of off-field situation.

Yeesh

Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr. Scot