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Punt return for a TD.. and how uninterested I was in it (ALARM BELLS)


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For the last 6/7 years (however long it has been since we've had something like that happen on a special teams play), any time we have remotely had a spark on a return I have become super pumped. Like, jumping out of my chair yelling at the TV, pumped.

Last night when he made his first miss, I looked at my fiancé and said "he's taking it to the house", then looked back down at my computer to finish up an email I was preparing. 

From there, it turned into laughing at our mistakes, sending memes about how terrible we are, and when we received the bad punt within their territory that led to going backwards 30 yards from penalties we were all cracking up because we had all called it to happen. 

I have moved around my entire life. I moved to Charlotte the year they started playing in 95 and immediately adopted them for a few reasons:

  • Grew up a Packers fan since my dad is from WI and wanted to get rid of that
  • As a new kid in town, it helped me make immediate friends (that I am still friends with today)

I lived in Miami during the 2015 season, was going through some huge challenges, and those Sunday games played a big role in me keeping it together and having something to look forward to every week.

I now live in Colorado, zero other Panthers fans here that I know, but every Sunday I still talk to my OG friends from Charlotte about the games, etc., but that too has been reduced to just a few texts now.

Which leads to the biggest overall point - my desire to continue watching this team is at an all-time low. I have never felt more disconnected, and I legitimately dislike this team in its current iteration. 

  • Dislike the owner to a level of probably getting arrested for assault if I saw him
  • Reich was SUCH a bad hire
  • Fit needs to be shot out of a cannon into the sun
  • Half the roster should be loaded into the next round for the cannon into the sun

How we have continued to go backwards under this Owner every year at such a staggering rate is unfathomable. It has been death by a thousand cuts. Even IF he has had the right intentions (like I believe he did this offseason), he has zero operational understanding of how to do it and needs to be removed from any and all decision making.

There is so much that needs to be fixed from top to bottom, but I am beginning to worry about my own personal fandom, as well as how many fans this team will start to lose in a mass exodus of sorts unless something major happens, and happens very soon.

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Can’t disagree. Honestly I didn’t see much of a spark out of anyone on the offensive side to take advantage of the opportunities the special teams and defense gave them to create separation on the scoreboard in the game. 
 

Defense shows some juice, it’s like the offense doesn’t even try to fake it until they make it. I too, didn’t get hype after the return and was looking for some juice from the offense as a result of that and the stop after that.. saw nothing. Maybe I’m trippin.. when I played you noticed a team that believed they could win the game… you also noticed when the will of a team wouldn’t hold up. We suck but it also appears we’ve become the team where the coaches say “if you hit them first, they don’t respond well.. you’ll take their will.” That’s a mindset issue, so to this point we see a lot of physical, mental, and psychological problems with the team on top of injuries galore. Lovely.

 

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Apathy is the death of franchises and this is the most apathetic myself and many fans have ever been to this team. Years of losing seasons and no hope on the horizon. This is going to be a years long rebuild of the franchise/roster and im not how many people are going to care enough to stick around. 

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That is hilarious because I brought up the same point in our casa.    

My wife was working late in the office and I joked, "honey, we scored", she was surprised because it was dead quiet.  I had zero reaction to the PR for a TD.  I don't think I've ever had that before.  Not oohing and awwing, let's go, or any "dad sound effects" or anything.  It was more "oh well that's interesting, looks like we may get a TD...well looky there we got one"

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2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

The days where I lived in Denver and went to Shelby's during 2015 seem like another lifetime ago.

Those days in Shelbys were great

 

Were you there when a guy who denied being Mike Singletary but everyone swore that's who he was dropped by a few weekends in a row?

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3 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

The days where I lived in Denver and went to Shelby's during 2015 seem like another lifetime ago.

I’m in Colorado Springs, love my YouTube TV setup for gamedays. But to be honest, the only thing keeping me going with football at this point is the legalized gambling here. NFL has turned into a revenue generator for me instead of being hyper-focused on this poo team. 

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4 minutes ago, Cullenator said:

Those days in Shelbys were great

 

Were you there when a guy who denied being Mike Singletary but everyone swore that's who he was dropped by a few weekends in a row?

There were so many jello shots passed around that season (for ea score) many second halfs are fuzzy memories lol.

I do remember bringing my friends from Boston there and we got a few people we met there to post-game at Retro Room near my apartment.  That was a wild one.  Oh the mid-20s... 

 

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2 minutes ago, Knaakedup said:

I’m in Colorado Springs, love my YouTube TV setup for gamedays. But to be honest, the only thing keeping me going with football at this point is the legalized gambling here. NFL has turned into a revenue generator for me instead of being hyper-focused on this poo team. 

We're in reverse CO/WI wise, I'm in Madison, WI these days.  

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27 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

There were so many jello shots passed around that season (for ea score) many second halfs are fuzzy memories lol.

I do remember bringing my friends from Boston there and we got a few people we met there to post-game at Retro Room near my apartment.  That was a wild one.  Oh the mid-20s... 

 

Take a shot every time Bryce gets sacked and I’m sure it’ll have the same effect by the second half lol

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