David Newton dropping nuggets: most execs say the jury is still out on Bryce

[Jon Snow]

8 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Anonymous brass within the Tampa Bay, Atlanta and New Orleans front offices are saying they think Bryce will be a top 3 QB in about 4 years.  The Panthers would have to pick up the 5th year option in that case.

When asked if they would trade for Young in a hypothetical scenario, all three of these personnel declined to answer the question.

Not to take a side in this but you are aware that teams cannot comment on any trade or signing of any player currently under contract with another team, right? Unless said player is a FA the league specifically forbids that. Just saying. 

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, BrianS said:

Well, yes, context does matter.  Of course it does.  And you may have not looked carefully enough at it, even though you posited the question right off the bat.

Why would other execs pump Bryce up?  It's simple:  If the Panthers stay bad, it's good for them.  It's competition, nothing more. 

Hopefully the Panthers org isn't listening to the outside noise.  Hopefully they don't make more excuses after this year.  BY had a rookie season on par with Zach Wilson.  Yes, that ZW.  If he turns it around this year, great, let's go.  If not, cut bait.

How dumb do you think that these execs are, especially Morgan? If Bryce doesn't cut the mustard this season, we're going to do exactly what you said yourself: "cut bait." The truth is, we were (and still are, until proven otherwise) a dumpster fire. We haven't been good for arguably seven years. People don't have to conspire, strategize or play psychological games in hopes of keeping us bad. We are. 

[45catfan]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Not to take a side in this but you are aware that teams cannot comment on any trade or signing of any player currently under contract with another team, right? Unless said player is a FA the league specifically forbids that. Just saying. 

*Woooosh* Come on Jon Snow--do better.

 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

*Woooosh* Come on Jon Snow--do better.

 

I'm just trying to follow along and I will admit that it's hard to follow some of the logic in here. Just wanted to clarify the rules in the game of cat and mouse. 

[45catfan]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

I'm just trying to follow along and I will admit that it's hard to follow some of the logic in here. Just wanted to clarify the rules in the game of cat and mouse. 

Nah, I get it. I've been duped by sarcasm a time or two myself.  I'm fluent in it though, so it hurts my pride a little when I do fall for it.

[CPF4LIFE]

10 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

In hindsight, these highlights are not good. No pressure, a bunch of pass rushers that aren't NFL level, easy throws to open dudes, etc..

 

And you cant forget the terrible DBs as well, that pass at :27 gets picked off by a NFL DB...these the things i consider when watching these college qbs tape. 

[CPF4LIFE]

41 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Anonymous brass within the Tampa Bay, Atlanta and New Orleans front offices are saying they think Bryce will be a top 3 QB in about 4 years.  The Panthers would have to pick up the 5th year option in that case.

When asked if they would trade for Young in a hypothetical scenario, all three of these personnel declined to answer the question.

They would say this....of course they would love for us to keep bryce the next 10 years. Lol

[45catfan]

Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

They would say this....of course they would love for us to keep bryce the next 10 years. Lol

Exactly, that was the entire joke.  Notice no quotes nor source(s). But yeah, it's not uncommon for competitors to talk up an inferior opponent to their advantage in sports or other endeavors.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Exactly, that was the entire joke.  Notice no quotes nor source(s). But yeah, it's not uncommon for competitors to talk up an inferior opponent to their advantage in sports or other endeavors.

I vaguely remember a thread on here where an opposing coach said rhule is a good coach and just needs time, we all had a good laugh about it

[strato]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

True because one even mentioned Bryce’s college performances as a reason he could still be successful in the pros 

Although it doesn’t take away that the Panthers were an unbridled garbage factory last year 

Our own coach referenced his college tape, used it to claim he was “cold blooded”. 

When our coach has been watching college tape, I think it is to learn or adopt Alabama’s offense. Adopt/adapt it (say that fast, needs to be a chant).

[top dawg]

10 minutes ago, strato said:

Our own coach referenced his college tape, used it to claim he was “cold blooded”. 

When our coach has been watching college tape, I think it is to learn or adopt Alabama’s offense. Adopt/adapt it (say that fast, needs to be a chant).

I was told that what he did in college doesn't matter anymore...LOL

[strato]

I know I said that about college tape. 

This isn’t the exact context as where I used that. I probably would still say it if you are talking arm strength, or using it to contend he is good, when we have a year of real NFL film to look at. Yeah I’d repeat that.

 I am not sure exactly WHY he was he was watching I just suspected it was for the plays because he already said something about that somewhere. Finding the stuff that Bryce did well etc. He could have been watching to see if his footwork was as bad in school. I could make other guesses, he probably sees it all. I think Canales knows his stuff, feel pretty good about saying that. Doesn’t mean he is great we don’t know. I think his foundation is solid. The football stuff. 

What I will say about this Alabama offense is, last ditch. They didn’t try that. Nothing else worked hardly at all. Might work. He has to make the plays in the NFL still.  

What is happening is a return to square one, the basics. I don’t don’t disagree at all with that. It is the thing to do with this team. Or at least the offense. My problem with that is the ingredients are going to limit the recipe. And that was a primary objection when I formed my opinion on the Bryce Young question. Big part of it. 

I think now that they know what they are working with for sure, and they will come up with something more effective. Maybe the team wins a few more games.

[PleaseCutStewart]

On 3/10/2024 at 1:45 PM, CPF4LIFE said:

All the experts had bryce over stroud pre draft plus no one was talking about how great texans offense was at that time. They all rated stroud lower because he was the one who could only succeed with top talent around supposedly. These experts opinions are becoming less and less relevant. If you have been watching the game a long time you can do your own evaluation and rankings at this point because its nothing but horse poo everywhere else. 

They all rated him lower because of execs' fascination with the stupid S2 test and thinking that BY was going to be the next coming of Manning, Brees, and Brady with superior football intellect because of his high score on said test that he had been taking since high school.

Unfortunately he has a noodle arm, terrible footwork, and sub-par accuracy. I hope that somehow changes and he can be as good as Stroud, but I'm still pissed we didn't draft Stroud. People just assumed he was a bum (I think there were several "experts" that had Stroud being the 4th or 5th QB picked) because he was throwing to elite receivers. The dude was still dropping dimes on 20-30 yard corner routes like it was a walk in the park (watch his Utah bowl game).

[strato]

48 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

They all rated him lower because of execs' fascination with the stupid S2 test and thinking that BY was going to be the next coming of Manning, Brees, and Brady with superior football intellect because of his high score on said test that he had been taking since high school.

Unfortunately he has a noodle arm, terrible footwork, and sub-par accuracy. I hope that somehow changes and he can be as good as Stroud, but I'm still pissed we didn't draft Stroud. People just assumed he was a bum (I think there were several "experts" that had Stroud being the 4th or 5th QB picked) because he was throwing to elite receivers. The dude was still dropping dimes on 20-30 yard corner routes like it was a walk in the park (watch his Utah bowl game).

There was something else too. Can’t put my finger on how to explain it. 

I don’t consider myself any kind of QB expert for good reason. So I can’t or would never say I know this or that guy is clearly going top be great in the NFL. I knew Stroud could throw NFL throws. He had the size.

That’s where my expertise stops. A bunch of guys look the part to someone like me.

I will say this, I KNEW Bryce Young was not Stroud. I seriously doubted his arm strength and saw nothing else special. That’s about it.