Tebow's pre-Wonderlic prayer request falls flat

[The Saltman]

ugh...i thought you were going to let cat argue for you in the tinderbox slj?

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I would just like to add that just about any belief system is absurd, to a point. Even believing that the universe just exploded into being out of nothingness is pretty absurd to think about.

The way I think about it, the human mind hasn't been able to prove or disprove the existence of a God for thousands of years, nor do we know how the universe actually came about. Any creation theory, since we have little "proof" in regards to both religion and science, is pretty absurd to think about.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

Why should I have respect for something that continually disrespects the quest for knowledge and understanding beyond its own teachings?

Believing in something for the logical equivalent of "just because" is lazy, absurd, and foolish...

I'm sorry that "just because" or "faith" is good enough for some people... In fact, it has held the human race back for ages upon ages...

To equate the philosophy of "Jesus" with those of the great scholars mentioned in his signature is absolutely ridiculous... We have a self-written record of those guys, while Jesus' story is just that... a story told by others...

It doesn't just apply to Christians either... It is any religious entity that opposes critical thought and investigation, but encourages the belief in fairy tales...

The irony of the situation is that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God, but hate each other because of the way their religions are taught... I don't hate any one of them, and feel like anyone can believe what they want to believe... Just because they accept it, doesn't mean I have to... Nor does it mean I have to show respect in the face of the opposition...

Allowance of belief does not equate to my requirement to respect a belief...

Life is too short to worry about it too much, and to be quite honest, religion sucks the life out of the majority of people's lives that it is a major part of...

[Samuel L. Jackson]

I would just like to add that just about any belief system is absurd, to a point. Even believing that the universe just exploded into being out of nothingness is pretty absurd to think about.

The way I think about it, the human mind hasn't been able to prove or disprove the existence of a God for thousands of years, nor do we know how the universe actually came about. Any creation theory, since we have little "proof" in regards to both religion and science, is pretty absurd to think about.

That is why I am an Agnostic... I don't know, and you don't either... but I'll be damned if I am not going to do my homework and try to call out all the bullshit I see...

[Samuel L. Jackson]

Pwned.

lol... way to add to the discussion!

Mob mentality is alive and well within the ranks of the believers!

I'm just baiting you for a response, please take the bait!

[The Saltman]

Why should I have respect for something that continually disrespects the quest for knowledge and understanding beyond its own teachings?

Believing in something for the logical equivalent of "just because" is lazy, absurd, and foolish...

I'm sorry that "just because" or "faith" is good enough for some people... In fact, it has held the human race back for ages upon ages...

To equate the philosophy of "Jesus" with those of the great scholars mentioned in his signature is absolutely ridiculous... We have a self-written record of those guys, while Jesus' story is just that... a story told by others...

It doesn't just apply to Christians either... It is any religious entity that opposes critical thought and investigation, but encourages the belief in fairy tales...

The irony of the situation is that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God, but hate each other because of the way their religions are taught... I don't hate any one of them, and feel like anyone can believe what they want to believe... Just because they accept it, doesn't mean I have to... Nor does it mean I have to show respect in the face of the opposition...

Allowance of belief does not equate to my requirement to respect a belief...

Life is too short to worry about it too much, and to be quite honest, religion sucks the life out of the majority of people's lives that it is a major part of...

pwned...

:leaving:

[Raskle]

Socrates taught for 40 years, Plato for 50, Aristotle for 40, and Jesus for only 3. Yet the influence of Christ's 3-year ministry infinitely transcends the impact left by the combined 130 years of teaching from these men who were among the greatest philosophers of all antiquity-unknown

I believe this is the part that SLJ is referring to in his "the truth" posts above. To me, it's almost as insulting as someone stating that Jesus was a rube figurehead that some power-hungry committee put in so-called charge to push their agenda on the unwashed and unintelligible masses over 2000 years ago would be to followers of the faith. It's also wrong, if you think about it...

Jesus influenced a large part of the world, or more correctly, the bible did. But to say he had more impact than three scholars that have been heralded as teachers of the entire world, transcending all religions with their philosophy is arrogant and downright rude to those who aren't Christian.

But, like SC22 said, to each his own. As for the whole The Golden Calf of Bristol thing, personally don't care if he did ask for a prayer. If this is true, he got his just desserts. If not, then a lot of folks are making a bunch of asses of themselves. Either way doesn't really affect me or my opinion of him. I still think he's a whiny bitch I'd never want on the Panthers.. I'd rather my QB not cry like a woman when he loses, thanks.

[scpanther22]

I believe this is the part that SLJ is referring to in his "the truth" posts above. To me, it's almost as insulting as someone stating that Jesus was a rube figurehead that some power-hungry committee put in so-called charge to push their agenda on the unwashed and unintelligible masses over 2000 years ago would be to followers of the faith. It's also wrong, if you think about it...

Jesus influenced a large part of the world, or more correctly, the bible did. But to say he had more impact than three scholars that have been heralded as teachers of the entire world, transcending all religions with their philosophy is arrogant and downright rude to those who aren't Christian.

But, like SC22 said, to each his own. As for the whole The Golden Calf of Bristol thing, personally don't care if he did ask for a prayer. If this is true, he got his just desserts. If not, then a lot of folks are making a bunch of asses of themselves. Either way doesn't really affect me or my opinion of him. I still think he's a whiny bitch I'd never want on the Panthers.. I'd rather my QB not cry like a woman when he loses, thanks.

I did not make the quote..lol I read it I liked it and agreed with what it said so I just put it in my sig..

To your 2nd part I dont think its arrogant and downright rude.I think its true. Christian or not.IMO Jesus teachings are head and shoulders above the rest

:leaving:

[The Saltman]

lol and here we go...

[Mr. Scot]

Why should I have respect for something that continually disrespects the quest for knowledge and understanding beyond its own teachings?

Believing in something for the logical equivalent of "just because" is lazy, absurd, and foolish...

I'm sorry that "just because" or "faith" is good enough for some people... In fact, it has held the human race back for ages upon ages...

To equate the philosophy of "Jesus" with those of the great scholars mentioned in his signature is absolutely ridiculous... We have a self-written record of those guys, while Jesus' story is just that... a story told by others...

It doesn't just apply to Christians either... It is any religious entity that opposes critical thought and investigation, but encourages the belief in fairy tales...

The irony of the situation is that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God, but hate each other because of the way their religions are taught... I don't hate any one of them, and feel like anyone can believe what they want to believe... Just because they accept it, doesn't mean I have to... Nor does it mean I have to show respect in the face of the opposition...

Allowance of belief does not equate to my requirement to respect a belief...

Life is too short to worry about it too much, and to be quite honest, religion sucks the life out of the majority of people's lives that it is a major part of...

I`ve never met a Christian in my life who felt it was "their duty to correct the absurd beliefs of others". Not likely they`d be well received if they did.

No one here is suggesting you have to believe in anything you don`t want to.

I`m just wondering why you let it get to you so much that someone else does.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

:banghead:

If the teachings of the people who wrote the Bible are more important to you than advancements in Science and Mathematics, you should contract cancer and see how long prayer alone gets you in comparison to medical treatment...

Religion staves off knowledge seekers with presented absolution or "WORD OF GOD"...

Science, Mathematics, and other fundamentals of true philosophy are the complete opposite, and encourage people to learn things on their own...

If you can accept the Bible as literal truth and give it profound influence on human progress, you are an idiot... If anything it has promoted the blind acceptance of anything and everything, and caused most of humanity to be robots and slaves...

[Samuel L. Jackson]

I`ve never met a Christian in my life who felt it was "their duty to correct the absurd beliefs of others". Not likely they`d be well received if they did.

No one here is suggesting you have to believe in anything you don`t want to.

I`m just wondering why you let it get to you so much that someone else does.

AHAHAHAHAHA...

Ahahaha haHAha... haHAH.. aha.. HAha...

Nothing "gets to me" at all... I just find the debate fun and ego inflating...

[Raskle]

I did not make the quote..lol I read it I liked it and agreed with what it said so I just put it in my sig..

To your 2nd part I dont think its arrogant and downright rude.I think its true. Christian or not.IMO Jesus teachings are head and shoulders above the rest

:leaving:

Never said you did. I have reading comprehension skills enough to see the unknown tag at the end to signify an anonymous saying

If you think about it, it is arrogant to state (which is what a signature is btw, a statement you are making, whether the original source is your thoughts or someone else's) that Jesus had more influence than Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle. Christianity holds sway over what portion of the world? At best, I'd say half of the global society (not a true assessment, an approximation) as there are plenty of other religions out there. The three philosophers' teachings have influenced the entire world, able to inundate themselves by not being religious in origin and thereby not being held in comtempt by non-Christian beliefs and biases.

Logically, it's not even close. I also understand, in your opinion that his teachings hold more importance for you, but to say they are more accepted or influential on the world is illogical and arrogant, and to me, that's rude to be that arrogant.

See where I'm coming from now?

[twylyght]

i appreciate what he may believe but you gotta know your role and the professional setting.

Guess how fast I would be escorted from trabajo if I asked to pray with some co workers before a meeting?

They wouldn't give me time to grab my desk calendar and pictures

Unless you are Muslim.... in which case, everyone else would be compelled to "shut the fug up"

and it always strikes me as strange that no one else considers the statement to be an invitation as opposed to a command. I've seen pushy, guilt-driven "faith" in action, and perhaps this was the case. However, I don't know enough about the kid to make such an assumption not having witnessed what happened.

Maybe it is a good thing to be cognizant of your blessings from the Almighty and cut some slack for those that are.

Maybe it's a big fuging deal.

/preachy