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Dane Jackson released

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8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I also thought this was a solid signing but nice to see a pivot quickly rather than our usual hubris of "well we are smarter" and a double down.

I still believe Dan is an average or above average pro personnel guy. I just wish he had any clue in the draft.

I think picks 3-5 were on point--nothing spectacular, but solid.  But XL was the WR I was hoping we would not pick--to me, he was the fool's gold--and I would never have drafted a Rb with the second round pick--we had other more pressing needs. 

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8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I think picks 3-5 were on point--nothing spectacular, but solid.  But XL was the WR I was hoping we would not pick--to me, he was the fool's gold--and I would never have drafted a Rb with the second round pick--we had other more pressing needs. 

It looked too much like a Fitterer draft. 

Didn't terribly care for Wallace but he looks like there could be something there. 

At the end of the day, you can't hope to make your hay in the draft on rounds 3-5 and whiff in the first and second.

I hope he does way better this year.

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17 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I also thought this was a solid signing but nice to see a pivot quickly rather than our usual hubris of "well we are smarter" and a double down.

I still believe Dan is an average or above average pro personnel guy. I just wish he had any clue in the draft.

Great observation. Previous GMs could have improved their draft results by just opening up the huddle. It’s sad. 

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1 minute ago, imminent rogaine said:

Great observation. Previous GMs could have improved their draft results by just opening up the huddle. It’s sad. 

It is sad. I have people chimping out over the suggestion that Huddle consensus has been better than our franchise at draft evaluations but, quite frankly, it has been.

It's not just sad, it's maddening. How is this possible??

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1 hour ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

My Picks McConkey in 1 and Frazier in 2 but hey I'm a drunk arm chair QB. Let those professionals lead the way (the average Huddler)

I think the experts overthink it at times.  I am also not sure they measure things that matter, and if you measure things that don't really matter, it can cause your board to fluctuate--you are creating bias using facts that are assumed to equate to performance.  Football is an emotional game, and if I were a GM, I would measure emotional intelligence.  I would measure (if this can be measured) the speed of conversion from a concept (technical/mechanics) to muscle memory.  I would watch film and time how long it takes a qb to get to their second and third reads--how long does it take an ILB to make the first step and how often do they false step.  How often does a WR bobble a pass vs. clean catches? Examples, but there has to be something we are not measuring that would improve our success rates in drafts. 

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20 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think the experts overthink it at times.  I am also not sure they measure things that matter, and if you measure things that don't really matter, it can cause your board to fluctuate--you are creating bias using facts that are assumed to equate to performance.  Football is an emotional game, and if I were a GM, I would measure emotional intelligence.  I would measure (if this can be measured) the speed of conversion from a concept (technical/mechanics) to muscle memory.  I would watch film and time how long it takes a qb to get to their second and third reads--how long does it take an ILB to make the first step and how often do they false step.  How often does a WR bobble a pass vs. clean catches? Examples, but there has to be something we are not measuring that would improve our success rates in drafts. 

I think a lot of it is also just excessive confidence in the ability to develop a player into what they believe they CAN be rather than what they are.

I have experienced this ample amounts of time in the working world. You see people with tantalizing abilities but they don't have great desire to achieve their potential and so they don't. I have been fooled by this many times by seeing the potential rather than what they were and thought too highly of my ability to mold them into a better worker/employee/etc. It doesn't matter if you have an exact read on someone's motivating factors and basic psychological profile if they just don't have the motivation to excel. 

Which, switching back to NFL scouting it's a fine line because you might find the smartest and most motivated person in the sport but if their physical abilities are just too far from being capable of excelling in the environment, there is nothing that can be done.

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