Testing Huddle Consensus

[tukafan21]

He's Burns 2.0 to me, not a true edge and not an off ball linebacker.  Or maybe more accurately and more recent, he's the offensive version of XL, someone who had one year of quality play but tests off the charts so you fall in love with him and think you can coach him up

He very well could pan out, but he also very well may be a guy who disappears 75% of the time because he's just not a fit for the position he's being put into, and people focus on the 25% of greatness too much.

If we had a more built out roster right now, I'd be much more on board with a risk like that, but we're just not there for me to be okay with that right now at #8.

Edited February 26, 2025 by tukafan21

[MHS831]

If they think Moton is on a bad wheel, RT would become our biggest need.  I smell a little smoke there--stay tuned.  If so, we could trade back a few spots and draft a top OT--Ohio State's Josh Simmons was injured most of the season, but he is a tremendous athlete and has a background at RT.   I just do not know about the knee--I sense that he will be fine, but I have heard so many stories of big men going "bone on bone" living on cortisone shots until it is over.

From the available list and our needs,  I think you have to draft DL, but if Will Johnson is there and you can't trade back, Horn and Johnson would be a stud CB tandem.  Better take a 10-year lockdown CB than reach for a Green or Pearce, in my opinion.  That could change after combine.

I think we will trade back and I think it will be to a team looking for an OT with few other needs.  There are so many teams that need OTs this year.  The Rams,  Ravens, Chiefs, etc. come to mind.  Few Needs, must have OTs. 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Not remotely accurate, I very well know that mock drafts aren't rankings. 

As I've said, Walker wasn't viewed as a consensus 1st rounder 2 months ago, let alone a Top 10 guy.  He's an athletic freak who teams/scouts are salivating over because of his potential and what they think they can turn him into, not because he's a blue chip prospect.

I don't like those kind of players, I utterly despise taking those late risers on draft boards because it's usually about physical traits, not actual football ability.  That viewpoint of mine has nothing to do with Walker other than him being that guy in this position right now, but it's how I've always felt about all players in the draft.

From whom?  your fantasy football league mates?

 

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2025/jalon-walker

[flagfootballcoach28]

How many of you Jalon Walker truthers have actually watched full game tape on him? Just curious? I have. Multiple games. As an edge, he is very poor against the run, has a hard time holding his ground. Gets bullied by the 6’5 300 pound lineman once they get their hands on him because he’s only around 6’1 and naturally a smaller guy compared to other edges. Can he rush the passer? Yes, at times. But at this rate he’s an ILB who can rush on occasion because of his run defense liability. I don’t think you draft that at #8. Sorry. I’ll pass. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, flagfootballcoach28 said:

How many of you Jalon Walker truthers have actually watched full game tape on him? Just curious? I have. Multiple games. As an edge, he is very poor against the run, has a hard time holding his ground. Gets bullied by the 6’5 300 pound lineman once they get their hands on him because he’s only around 6’1 and naturally a smaller guy compared to other edges. Can he rush the passer? Yes, at times. But at this rate he’s an ILB who can rush on occasion because of his run defense liability. I don’t think you draft that at #8. Sorry. I’ll pass. 

lol

[flagfootballcoach28]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

lol

Great insight. How many of his games have you watched?

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Great insight. How many of his games have you watched?

none, I focus my attention on high school flag football games

[flagfootballcoach28]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

none, I focus my attention on high school flag football games

Here’s the keyboard warrior at it again lol. Once again, have you actually watched his film? If so, what was your take away? Or are you going to stick to immature insults?

Edited February 26, 2025 by flagfootballcoach28

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Here’s the keyboard warrior at it again lol 

tell us more about you flag football experience

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

How many of you Jalon Walker truthers have actually watched full game tape on him? Just curious? I have. Multiple games. As an edge, he is very poor against the run, has a hard time holding his ground. Gets bullied by the 6’5 300 pound lineman once they get their hands on him because he’s only around 6’1 and naturally a smaller guy compared to other edges. Can he rush the passer? Yes, at times. But at this rate he’s an ILB who can rush on occasion because of his run defense liability. I don’t think you draft that at #8. Sorry. I’ll pass. 

Of course he's an ILB. That's what his position would be here. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

From whom?  your fantasy football league mates?

 

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/players/2025/jalon-walker

Did you even look down that page before posting it or just look at the average that is skewed because of how many people are predicting us to take him at 8?

On the first page of mock drafts, there are a bunch predicting us, likely due to the rumors of us liking him and our need for a pass rusher.  But beyond that, there are only 2 other mocks that have him going to another team in the Top 10 and only 1 more before 15th.  

There are the same number of mocks (on that first page of results) that have him going 18 or later than going in the Top 8.

So again, as I've said, he's a polarizing player who is rising on boards more due to athletic ability than game tape and production.  We need a Week 1 starter with that pick, not a developmental player like Walker.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Did you even look down that page before posting it or just look at the average that is skewed because of how many people are predicting us to take him at 8?

On the first page of mock drafts, there are a bunch predicting us, likely due to the rumors of us liking him and our need for a pass rusher.  But beyond that, there are only 2 other mocks that have him going to another team in the Top 10 and only 1 more before 15th.  

There are the same number of mocks (on that first page of results) that have him going 18 or later than going in the Top 8.

So again, as I've said, he's a polarizing player who is rising on boards more due to athletic ability than game tape and production.  We need a Week 1 starter with that pick, not a developmental player like Walker.

still waiting on all those mock drafts that show him going in the 2nd

 

******hint - go to your history and search for these said mock drafts, I will wait

 

your words

Love how the consensus on here is a player I've regularly seen fall into the 2nd round in mock drafts but everyone here is sold on him at #8.

 

I don't see any of the other "projected Top 10" guys falling into the 2nd in any mocks, sure maybe some fall into the mid teens or even early 20's, but that's the furthest I think I've seen any of them fall.

Edited February 26, 2025 by mrcompletely11

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Of course he's an ILB. That's what his position would be here. 

If we're taking him as an ILB and not an edge pass rusher, then that's a SUPER hard pass for me, as he's not Kuechly, we can't use #8 on an ILB that isn't in that mold of a player.

Like I said a few posts ago, he's a tweener who doesn't currently fit a single NFL position, who doesn't haver a lot of game experience yet either, he's a project draft pick, not a day 1 impact starter.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

If we're taking him as an ILB and not an edge pass rusher, then that's a SUPER hard pass for me, as he's not Kuechly, we can't use #8 on an ILB that isn't in that mold of a player.

Like I said a few posts ago, he's a tweener who doesn't currently fit a single NFL position, who doesn't haver a lot of game experience yet either, he's a project draft pick, not a day 1 impact starter.

If you don't think this kid starts day one then you have seriously underestimated his ability.  But that's ok, you will find out. There will be OLB and DE's drafted as well. You can complain about those also. If he's bpa he will be the pick.