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Tyler Warren

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jayboogieman Grand Master

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5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

LoL at this guy being a Bowers. Complete lazy draft time BS.

Watch this and see what a TE that's worth a pick at 8. 

Warren looks solid but Bowers looked like a freaking stud.

I said it before but I view Warren as being on a slightly lower level than Bowers. Warren was the Penn State offense this past season while Bowers was a huge piece but had other high profile players helping out.

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Just now, jayboogieman said:

I said it before but I view Warren as being on a slightly lower level than Bowers. Warren was the Penn State offense this past season while Bowers was a huge piece but had other high profile players helping out.

It more than slightly and it shows. The only thing Watren has on Bowers is size. Bowers blows him out in hands, speed, agility and acceleration.

All the school stuff really doesn't matter that much. Bowers came into the NFL and was his team's offense. Warren looks solid but he isn't near Bowers level. Don't draft guys for ehat they did in school but what they can do in the NFL. Body catches and lack of separation even at that level is a concern. Bowers was one handing it and dusting CBs. It's not close IMO.

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15 minutes ago, Waldo said:

LoL at this guy being a Bowers. Complete lazy draft time BS.

Watch this and see what a TE that's worth a pick at 8. 

Warren looks solid but Bowers looked like a freaking stud.

Bowers measured in at 6'3" 243lbs with Warren coming in at 6'6" 261lbs.

Lance Zierlein did Bowers' scouting report for NFL.com as well as Warren's this year. He's got Warren graded as a better prospect.

Bowers was an awesome prospect that's turned out to be an awesome pro so far. Warren has the potential to be even better.

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2 minutes ago, Icege said:

Bowers measured in at 6'3" 243lbs with Warren coming in at 6'6" 261lbs.

Lance Zierlein did Bowers' scouting report for NFL.com as well as Warren's this year. He's got Warren graded as a better prospect.

Bowers was an awesome prospect that's turned out to be an awesome pro so far. Warren has the potential to be even better.

I don't see it. Looks like school hype too me. He is going to have to do much better at the combine than on that film to justify that kind of grade.

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2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I don't see it. Looks like school hype too me. He is going to have to do much better at the combine than on that film to justify that kind of grade.

What games did you feel stuck out poorly on film? He looked like a man amongst boys vs. USC and Purdue and was clearly the best player on the Penn State offense in the postseason.

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9 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It more than slightly and it shows. The only thing Watren has on Bowers is size. Bowers blows him out in hands, speed, agility and acceleration.

All the school stuff really doesn't matter that much. Bowers came into the NFL and was his team's offense. Warren looks solid but he isn't near Bowers level. Don't draft guys for ehat they did in school but what they can do in the NFL. Body catches and lack of separation even at that level is a concern. Bowers was one handing it and dusting CBs. It's not close IMO.

We're going to have to disagree. It's not just draft hype. I didn't watch every Penn St game, but I watched enough to see that Warren is the real deal. Now, that doesn't mean he'll be surefire HOFer not does it mean he'll be a bust. I can't see the future after all.

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We're going to have to disagree. It's not just draft hype. I didn't watch every Penn St game, but I watched enough to see that Warren is the real deal. Now, that doesn't mean he'll be surefire HOFer not does it mean he'll be a bust. I can't see the future after all.

Its not about seeing the future, its about processing the existing data to make a informed and educated hypothesis

Whoever picks him in the first simply has to know the odds are incredibly astronomical that he is going to perform up to his draft selection.

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its not about seeing the future, its about processing the existing data to make a informed and educated hypothesis

Whoever picks him in the first simply has to know the odds are incredibly astronomical that he is going to perform up to his draft selection.

That holds true for every draft pick regardless of round

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1 minute ago, jayboogieman said:

That holds true for every draft pick regardless of round

thats not true,  you have to play the odds and the odds say te's are bottom of the barrel in busting relative to where they were picked

 

We just did this, in 24 years 24 have been picked in the first round, in your opinion who was worthy?

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41 minutes ago, Waldo said:

LoL at this guy being a Bowers. Complete lazy draft time BS.

Watch this and see what a TE that's worth a pick at 8. 

Warren looks solid but Bowers looked like a freaking stud.

Apples and Oranges.

like comparing AB and Calvin Johnson.  Same position, different playing g styles and how their used 

Bowers is 6’3 235ish and used primarily if not just strictly as a pass catcher moved out from the slot

 

Warren is 6’6 260 more physical not finesse.  Who can be used as a blocker, but also moved out as a pass catcher.  
 

those Bowers highlights are good.  But for every big deep pass play you say Warren couldn’t do like that.  I can pull up Warren moving guys out of the way and pancaking guys in the run game while also making big contesting catches in the same game.  Something Bowes isn’t doing.

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6 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Shockey was 1st team All-Pro as a Rookie and a Probowler 3 out of his first 4 seasons.

his stats:   

Shockey had a combined 248 catches, 3000 yards and 17 tds his first 4 years.

 

He never had a 1000 yard season and never had double digit tds

 

Rookie year stats:  If thats all pro then sure

GP GS       Rec        Yds        Avg       Lng           TD
5      14      74        894        12.1        30

        2

 

If you think that is first round worthy then we have to agree to disagree

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